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Old 08-26-2012, 09:15 PM   #341
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This one?: http://www.mccormick.com/Products/Ex...ut-Flavor.aspx

I can't imagine ever putting something like that in my beer, but hey, if you say it's good, I'll give it a shot. Pumking does have a pretty heavy artificial aroma to it, haha. Thanks.
That's the exact one I bought. I recommend trying it in a single pint of one of your beers first before adding it to a whole batch, but to my palate, this is as close as you can get to pumking.
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Old 08-26-2012, 09:26 PM   #342
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Go the natural route and add a stick of butter to the boil?

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Old 08-26-2012, 09:26 PM   #343
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I just did a test with my son and his GF. We had an open bottle of Pumking, and I brought out 3 extracts. I asked them (and me) to score them on how much they smell like Pumking 0-10, where 10 would be a direct match.
Ethan: Graham Cracker: 3 Almond: 5 Hazelnut: 5
Caitlin: Graham Cracker: 2 Almond: 7 Hazelnut: 8
Passedpawn: Graham Cracker: 3 Almond: 2 Hazelnut: 8
If anyone has a bottle of Pumking and some hazelnut extract, give it a try. Amazing.

One thing that's obvious, when you smell the extract next to the beer, it's clear there's some nutmeg (and maybe other spices) in there.
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Old 08-26-2012, 09:36 PM   #344
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I doubt they used hazlebutt. I don't like hazlebutt extract and I think Pumking tastes good.

If it was my brew, I'd try cinnamon, nutmeg, clove in the boil and then a blend of graham cracker crumbs and almond paste (marzipan) in the secondary. It wouldn't be a clone, but it might taste good.

Maybe some mace too. The spice, not the spray.

 
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Old 08-26-2012, 09:57 PM   #345
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After a bit of experimentation today, I'm pretty sure I've found the secret to Pumking. The graham cracker flavor many attribute to the beer has always sounded a bit off to me. While I can see how people could describe it that way, a much better descriptor for me would be cap'n crunch cereal, as I've mentioned before. But what flavor extract do you use to get that cap'n crunch flavor? That was the big question. I'd spotted a butter and nut flavoring on a website last year and thought that might be somewhat close, but I didn't want to order up a bottle just on that hunch. But that flavoring is exactly what I saw when walking around the grocery store today. It's called "Vanilla butter and nut" flavoring, so I picked up a bottle to experiment with since it was only a few bucks. Undiluted, it smells just like buttercream frosting. Like cupcakes or something, basically. But when diluted in a beer, it has that exact same aroma as pumking. And it does the same thing to the flavor.

This stuff is STRONG, though. Like 1 drop in 12 oz is too much, strong. I recommend some of you do what I did and pick up a bottle to experiment with. I added it to my cream ale at about a drop per 12 oz and it was too strong. When I had drunk that mostly down I topped it off again with cream ale and that's when it seemed just right. You basically want to dip the tip of a toothpick in the stuff and swirl that around in your glass to get the right amount. But when you hit the right amount, you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. I think this will get you closer to that Pumking flavor than anything else you can do.
I like where this thread is going. I was personally thinking about trying Capella's Butter flavor drops in conjunction with the graham cracker flavor drops to see where that went. Pumking is definitely not a spicy beer, it's more buttery, creamy, with just a touch of pumpkin pie spice. But the grain bill from page 20 also needs some modifying. Pumking is a fairly light, yellowish orange color. The clone I made was dark ruby with a touch of orange. I wouldn't use crystal 80.

From Southern Tier's website: ABV: 8.6%
FERMENTATION: Ale yeast, two types of malt, two types of hops, pumpkin
COLOR: Deep copper
EFFERVESCENCE: Medium carbonation
NOSE: Pumpkin, pie spices, buttery crust, vanilla, roasted pecans
FLAVOR: Malty sweetness, vanilla, clove, allspice, cinnamon, nutmeg, pie crust
BITTERNESS: Low
BODY: Medium-light

 
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Old 08-26-2012, 11:17 PM   #346
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I bought a pumpking. It still has a nose of Windmill cookies and a little pumpkin.

However, I do taste the artificial butter flavor. I smell it too. So the guy who said vanilla butter nut extract could be on to something.

As a matter of fact, this gross artificial butter taste just ruined the whole beer for me. Seriously, this beer sucks now!

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Old 08-26-2012, 11:23 PM   #347
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The color of my pumking this year is much lighter than I remember. It's not even light orange. It's a darker blonde.

 
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Old 08-26-2012, 11:38 PM   #348
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That's the exact one I bought. I recommend trying it in a single pint of one of your beers first before adding it to a whole batch, but to my palate, this is as close as you can get to pumking.
I think you are right. I haven't tasted the vanilla butter nut extract, but what I am tasting and smelling is fake butter nut with some spices. It even has the not so great aftertaste associated with those types of bakers extracts.

I've only had pumpking once before and I thought it was great. Now I'm somewhat repulsed and won't be buying it next year.

 
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Old 08-27-2012, 12:40 AM   #349
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This just in: Preliminary lab tests indicate Pumking has enough diacetyl to kill a plow horse !

It's time to find a new pumpkin beer.

 
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Old 08-27-2012, 01:55 AM   #350
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I don't think I would add a McCormick Imitation extract to a batch of brew again. Used imitation vanilla once in my early days, it went from good to bad with little aging. Need to at least use a pure extract.

 
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