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Old 07-13-2010, 08:03 PM   #11
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Not all sediment is yeast...
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Old 07-13-2010, 08:07 PM   #12
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Bells Oberon is bottle conditioned and Bells uses the same yeast for all of their beers, supposedly. A house yeast, as they say.
I think Bell's Oberon, like Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, is filtered. They add back a little yeast to bottle-condition after filtering.
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Old 07-14-2010, 01:15 AM   #13
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I understand the concept of filtering it and then adding a bit of yeast prior to bottling it, but does that mean they don't actually use the yeast to carbonate the beer?

It seems to me that using yeast to carbonate MUST leave a healthy yeast sediment (like our homebrew). Sierra nevada is crystal clear. I still don't understand how they claim it is bottle conditioned!

I just drank a few Loose Cannon IPAs which were relatively clear, with no sediment at the bottom, which they too claim are "bottle conditioned."

 
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Old 07-14-2010, 01:19 AM   #14
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Smuttynose IPA has a healthy amount in the dregs.
Yeah, I've noticed that. But even smuttynose has about half the dregs the average homebrew has. Do they "half bottle condition?" If so, what is the advantage of doing that?

 
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Old 07-14-2010, 01:29 AM   #15
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On the beers that I successfully treated with gelatin I have very little on the bottom of the bottles. I can pour the entire bottle and everything that's left just stays behind as a thin cloudy layer.
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Old 07-14-2010, 01:48 AM   #16
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Well, they dont claim to do it, they actually do it. Sierra Nevada has it down to a perfect science. They have figured out EXACTLY how much yeast/sugar to add to get the carbonatoin level they want. No more, no less. We end up with so much sediment because there is a ton of yeast left in suspension. A lot of yeast left in suspension isn't necessary for bottle conditioning. I've had a cider which bulk aged for 4 months carb up quite nicely and leave virtually no sediment (like Sierra Nevada).

 
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Old 07-14-2010, 01:56 AM   #17
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Allagash Tripel is a good example.

Also, I know that Goose Island bottle conditions, and as I recall there was a bit of yeast at the bottom of the bottle of Sofie that I tried.

 
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Old 07-15-2010, 06:55 AM   #18
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I've gotten a small ammount of yeast sediment buildup when I cold crash for a week in the fermenter then rack off and bottle condition. I was worried at first that their would not be enough yeast to carb but it worked fine.

 
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Old 07-15-2010, 07:04 AM   #19
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I think Bell's Oberon, like Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, is filtered. They add back a little yeast to bottle-condition after filtering.
Bell's does not filter any of their beers. They rack to a bright tank for a few days before bottling, but don't add any yeast. In the case of Oberon, I'd guess they skip the bright tank, to keep it cloudy. Sierra Nevada does filter, then adds a calculated amount of yeast slurry/sugar at bottling.
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Old 07-16-2010, 02:44 AM   #20
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Dogfish Head's Squall IPA doesn't appear to have much sediment at the bottom of the bottle either.
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