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Old 07-13-2010, 04:48 PM   #21
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That'd be a mistake. As much as I enjoy both rye and black IPAs, I'd hammer them (especially the black) if they put in front of me on a judging table to be judged as 14B. Unfortunately I've had some really good beers while judging that I had to give bad scores to because they were entered into the wrong category.
The BYO type black IPA (one that tastes like a regular IPA with your eyes closed) should score well as appearance is 3 points and covers things other than color.



 
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Old 07-13-2010, 09:30 PM   #22
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The BYO type black IPA (one that tastes like a regular IPA with your eyes closed) should score well as appearance is 3 points and covers things other than color.
Maybe it would get a decent overall score, but every point counts, especially in one of the most-entered categories. I personally take 2 off for appearance if something is WAY off like that.


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I'd say that you're right, but here is the reasoning:

1) People brew to meet BJCP for 2 reasons:
A- Because it's easier to learn to brew to style first before shooting from the hip, and
B- To win competitions. You won't win if you're not brewing to the guidelines against which your beer will be judged.
I didn't mean it in a bad way. I guess I meant that with the BJCP, sometimes, it seems the styles come first and are then used for homebrewers to target when they brew, whereas the BA attempts to define what exists in the market place after the styles have been brewed. I understand, that BJCP also recognizes styles and are not creating styles out of thin air, but maybe I'm just talking about the way that people use the two systems or at least the way I perceive people using them.

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I guess I don't see why a commercial beer should fall within the BJCP guidelines, which are for homebrew. And if you want to propose a new style for the BJCP guidelines, there are outlines of how to write it on the website, IIRC.
I understand that people will have differing opinions of what is the best example of a style, but it also seems there shouldn't be that much disparity in the parameters of a "style". I think the lines between some styles are naturally going to blur and I guess that's why I like the broader scopr of BA - I feel like it reflects what happens.

As far as new styles, the ones I'm interested in seeing are the same ones that most people know about. I am confident the BJCP is aware of the trends. If the persistence of the community hastens the approval process for a style, I might write in, otherwise I feel as though I would be beating what I'm sure is a deadhorse.
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Old 07-13-2010, 10:00 PM   #24
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I didn't mean it in a bad way. I guess I meant that with the BJCP, sometimes, it seems the styles come first and are then used for homebrewers to target when they brew, whereas the BA attempts to define what exists in the market place after the styles have been brewed.
I don't think this is true at all, though feel free to quote a specific example.

The BJCP, in general, is promulgating descriptions of styles only after substantial numbers of brewers have entered them in competitions. In my time this would include IIPA and Baltic Porter. Certainly you aren't claiming that nobody was brewing these before they hit the style guidelines.

 
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Certainly you aren't claiming that nobody was brewing these before they hit the style guidelines.
Of course not. That would be a little ridiculous. Especially as new trends tend to develop amongst homebrewers initially.

I'm just going to shut up now and say that I prefer the wider parameters of the BA guidelines and the swiftness with which they respond to the brewing community.
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One other factor in the BA/GABF categories is that those styles are fore commercial beers, where breweries have possible financial gain by winning a medal. By creating more categories, two things are accomplished:

1. More awards are given and more beers are medal winners.

2. Numbers of beers in each category entered are lower, making the competition easier to manage. That way the American IPA category doesn't have 500 entries. There are many different IPAs on the list.

English-Style India Pale Ale
American-Style Strong Pale Ale
American-Style India Pale Ale
Imperial India Pale Ale
Imperial Red Ale
American-Style India Black Ale

American Style IPA is still the largest category with 150 beers entered last year, but the number would be larger without American Strong Pale Ale, Imperial Red and India Black.

If I had to differentiate between the philosophy of the BA and BJCP, I'd say the BJCP wants to award brewers for brewing great beer to style, and the BA wants to award brewers for just making great beer.
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If I had to differentiate between the philosophy of the BA and BJCP, I'd say the BJCP wants to award brewers for brewing great beer to style, and the BA wants to award brewers for just making great beer.
I like this - it makes sense
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I like this - it makes sense
Now if I can only get my wife to say that!
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Just to revive a dead thread, I wouldn't mind seeing a 2012 or 2013 revision of the BJCP. Seems like there are lots of new styles to profile since the minor revision in 2008



 
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