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Old 07-02-2010, 05:38 PM   #21
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This is off my dishwasher.



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Old 07-02-2010, 05:45 PM   #22
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I have used the dishwasher for years. The key is to use clean bottles and no soap. I clean my bottles as I empty them. Before I put them back into the dishwasher to sanitize them I rinse them with a bottle washer first. Then I use the sanitize setting without any problems. Bottling over the open dishwasher door also makes clean up very easy. Nothing to wipe up. Simply close the dishwasher door and anything you may have spilled will simply go into the dishwasher to drain away.


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Old 07-02-2010, 05:54 PM   #23
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Just like the food service industry, you need to wash, rinse, and sanitize. Sanitizing is the last step and is the only one for which dishwashers should be used with bottles. The small opening in the bottle does not allow the dishwasher to wash the bottles adequately for you. Wash them by hand first (bottle brush)... clean all the gunk and residue out of them.

The sanitizing features on dishwashers is with heat ("heat sanitizing"... as opposed to chemical sanitizing). There is a time/temperature scale for heat sanitizing. The standard is 180░F for 30 seconds. Below that temp needs more time. The lowest heat sanitizing temp is down to 145░F (I believe) and needs like an hour at that temp.

The dishwasher manufacturers have to meet this time/temp requirement to say that they have a sanitizing feature. So, dishwashers with sanitizing features are fine for sanitizing bottles... just wash and rinse them thoroughly by hand first.
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Old 07-02-2010, 07:17 PM   #24
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I soak all bottles in oxyclean, then use a bottle brush on an electric drill to scrub them good. I put all the soapy bottles in the dishwasher and run a full cycle with a soap tab, and let the heat coil dry them. Then I sanitize them with a couple pumps of the vinator/starsan and hang on the tree. Never had a problem.

I think dishwashers are good to help clean but not for sanitizing.

 
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I think dishwashers are good to help clean but not for sanitizing.
Sorry, hate to do this, but that is totally backwards. I'll defer to the posts above (and of course, 100 older threads just like this one) instead of repeating them. Granted, some dishwashers might not have the heater to get the temps to sanitizing levels; those are probably useless for beermaking.
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Old 07-02-2010, 07:35 PM   #26
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Sorry, hate to do this, but that is totally backwards.
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Old 07-02-2010, 07:37 PM   #27
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it is my understanding that using dishwasher detergent is bad (as bad as using soap) as it leaves a trace of film that negatively affects head retention.

The heat of the dishwasher is the sanitizing part, I wouldn't count on the dishwasher to do the cleaning. I do make sure my bottles are clean of debris and rinsed from their previous use (rinsing the bottles as they are emptied is much easier than having to scrub them out later).

 
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Old 07-02-2010, 09:45 PM   #28
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I've used my dishwasher on my Grolsch bottles and have not an infected beer yet.

 
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Old 07-03-2010, 12:46 AM   #29
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run a cycle empty then fill with bottles and one cap of idophore

 
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Old 07-06-2010, 07:47 PM   #30
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Sorry, hate to do this, but that is totally backwards. I'll defer to the posts above (and of course, 100 older threads just like this one) instead of repeating them. Granted, some dishwashers might not have the heater to get the temps to sanitizing levels; those are probably useless for beermaking.
I get confused reading so much, everyone has a different opinion. So are you saying it's ok to use a dishwasher to sanitize but not for cleaning? Not trying to be a pest here, just want to clarify what i'm doing wrong.



 
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