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Old 04-22-2010, 09:55 PM   #1
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Default Malt, sugar, and cider?

KK, with the Oak Experiment under wraps and another solid cider in the fermenters, I went scrounging for something to play with. Came up with this...

4 gallons apple juice (not cider)
3 pounds organic sugar
1 pound light DME
1 Pack Nottingham Ale yeast.

No idea how this will work out but am curious - is that too much DME/sugar for a 4 gallon batch? Any suggestions on random additives which might compliment the mix?


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Old 04-22-2010, 10:44 PM   #2
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What was your OG? You may have underpitched.


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Old 04-23-2010, 01:44 AM   #3
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Haven't started yet, just collecting ingredients (a small bag of oatmeal has found it's way into the pile as well).
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Gottcha. I'm a big fan of adding honey to my ciders.

I recently did an apfelwien with 4lb honey and 1.5lb of corn sugar. Used 2 packets of Notty yeast. Tasted great when I bottled it on Sunday. OG 1.103 FG 1.020
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Old 04-23-2010, 04:51 AM   #5
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Have you brewed the honey apfelwien before? I'm thinking about trying something like that, but I'm not sure if there'd be a honey taste or if it would all just ferment out into apfel booze.
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Adding honey is called a cyser, kind of like a beer and mead is a braggot.

Personally, I dislike adding anything. More sugar = more alcohol = less apple flavor.
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Adding honey is called a cyser, kind of like a beer and mead is a braggot.

Personally, I dislike adding anything. More sugar = more alcohol = less apple flavor.
This.

besides adjusting the tannin/acid content of the juice I stick to the formula juice + yeast + time = tasty cider.
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besides adjusting the tannin/acid content of the juice I stick to the formula juice + yeast + time = tasty cider.
Ah yes, Freezeblade caught what I really meant - I don't like adding sugars for fermenting cider. But there are plenty out there who do it.
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If I dont use any malts I use 1 LB Light Brown Sugar + 5 gallons of Apple Juice, this makes a nice ~7.5% ABV cider which clears well and is not overly boozy. OG ~ 1.060, FG ~ 1.000. Any more sugar than that and it is a bit over kill and requires prolonged aging (6 mos). My typical house cider is 1 Light Brown Sugar, +yeast nutrient, +5G Motts AJ, + 3 week on Nottingham Yeast @ 62F ambient temp. This stuff rocks.

I recently just did a cider similiar to your idea. I think you have a bit to much sugar in your recipe. I did a mini mash of 2 Lbs Pale/Wheat Malt, +1 LB Caramel Malt (20L) in 1 gallon of water. Once this cooled I added it to 5 gallons of Apple Juice and fermented for 3 weeks using Nottingham. OG was 1.056 (.016 from the malts), and FG was 1.005. The Caramel malt left a nice subtle sweetness and mild caramel flavor. Final ABV ~ 6.6%, 2.5G batch.

I would think you could do the same type of thing with 1 Lb of Light or Amber DME, <or> 1 Lb of Light DME + 1 Lb of steeped caramel malt in 1 G of water, cool and add to 4G of Apple Juice. Dont steep with AJ, use water. This should give you about 7% abv. You could add more DME if you want more ABV, but I would not add suagr with DME, just use all malt/DME. Amber DME works nice because it has some Caramel malt already in it. 2 LBS of Amber DME would work well for 5 gallons of juice.
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I would think you could do the same type of thing with 1 Lb of Light or Amber DME, <or> 1 Lb of Light DME + 1 Lb of steeped caramel malt in 1 G of water, cool and add to 4G of Apple Juice. Dont steep with AJ, use water.
This is because it changes the flavor of the apple juice, so it tastes cooked.


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