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Old 02-12-2010, 02:14 AM   #121
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I didn't mean ground, I meant "grounded" which IS the neutral conductor. Thanks NEC for making it all so simple
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Your crossed up with with the grounded conductor vs a grounding conductor.
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Old 02-12-2010, 02:23 AM   #123
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The "grounded" conductor is what is commonly referred to usually as the neutral conductor. A "grounding" conductor is green and is run to carry a ground between metal parts of a system.
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The "grounded" conductor is what is commonly referred to usually as the neutral conductor. A "grounding" conductor is green and is run to carry a ground between metal parts of a system.
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Old 02-12-2010, 02:33 AM   #125
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Though it has been touched on a few times in this thread, no one has really pointed out that if you get accost the 2 hots or the hot and a neutral in a GFCI protected system and you your self are not grounded you will still get shocked or electrocuted and they GFCI will not trip. Just some thing to keep in mind.
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Old 02-12-2010, 02:49 AM   #127
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They have electricity now in WI.? I thought they still ran off 32 volts of battery banks with a Chicago AeroMotor Windmill Generators for lighting. I recall some states even in the late 40's early 50's still had battery / generator lighting in the mid west. Way past the time of Hit & Miss powered generators. I had to pick on ya bro.

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Though it has been touched on a few times in this thread, no one has really pointed out that if you get accost the 2 hots or the hot and a neutral in a GFCI protected system and you your self are not grounded you will still get shocked or electrocuted and they GFCI will not trip. Just some thing to keep in mind.
Across the hot and neutral on a GFCI you will be protected. Across two hots of a 2-pole GFCI (240V) and yourself ungrounded, I am not sure. Anyone know?
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Across the hot and neutral on a GFCI you will be protected. Across two hots of a 2-pole GFCI (240V) and yourself ungrounded, I am not sure. Anyone know?
Just hope you're not completely insulated from ground. Stand in a puddle barefoot to be safe.... jk
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Just hope you're not completely insulated from ground. Stand in a puddle barefoot to be safe.... jk
Maybe 2-pole GFI's are dangerous! But seriously, I cannot see how the breaker would sense a fault.
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