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Old 02-08-2010, 05:06 AM   #1
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First, I don't know if "freeze distillation" is the right word for what I'm talking about - Ice Beer (like Canadian Ice Wine). I was curious if anyone here has tried to make Ice Beer? One of my friend's father said back in the day he tried it with a trippel and it came out quite good. I'm also curious to what techniques you use.

 
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Old 02-08-2010, 05:19 AM   #2
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This topic arises from time to time, often provoking a bit of legal debate. In a podcast last year, James Spencer concluded that the procedure is indeed legal in the US. As such, we've been allowing the topic here. Freeze concentration is probably a better term.
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Old 02-08-2010, 05:22 AM   #3
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I know as much as the above poster. I have always wanted to try it, but need some expertise.
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Old 02-08-2010, 05:58 AM   #4
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They sell Ice Wine kits on Amazon; not that you actually do any freezing yourself. But still. I saw the style on the homebrew wiki and want to give it a shot. I read somewhere that in Belgium its quite common. I don't even want to necessarily make the beer stronger with ABV, but rather, concentrate the flavor. Removing the water would essentially do this, correct?

 
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Old 02-08-2010, 06:07 AM   #5
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I don't even want to necessarily make the beer stronger with ABV, but rather, concentrate the flavor. Removing the water would essentially do this, correct?
Freezing a portion of the beer/wine will (1) increase the ABV, (2) intensify the flavor (e.g., maltiness for a beer), and (3) produce excellent flavor and haze stability (6+ months).

If you freeze a non-significant portion of the water (e.g., <= 5%), it's not legally considered distillation but you'll only achieve #3...
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Old 02-08-2010, 06:15 AM   #6
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from a legal standpoint it is concentration. i tried it with some marginal wine once... it did have water removed, go figure, but i wasn't a sufficient test-bed: it tasted pretty much the same with more alcohol.

 
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Old 02-08-2010, 10:12 AM   #7
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I'm not sure about the process of making Ice Beer, but there is a difference in the process of making Ice Wine and ..say.. applejack. Ice wine (very good btw) is a concentrate of juice made by pressing the grapes while they are still partially frozen. This yields a higher brix %. Fractional freezing ..or freeze distilling.. Is freezing the fermented product to remove non-alcohol substance, resulting in a higher ABV each time it is frozen.

I've been trying to get in touch with my local ATF office without much luck on an official answer. So far all I've gotten from them, ist that it if the ATF agent believes it to be a distilled product, then it will be handled as such. Maybe you guys have had better luck...

 
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Old 02-08-2010, 10:26 AM   #8
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I have an eisbock in the keezer right now. I put it in the freezer in a better bottle and let about 25 % turn to ice crystals then put a hop bag over my racking cane and kegged it. I was left with about 1.5 gallons of slush in the fermenter. It turned out fine although a little too smooth.

 
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Old 02-08-2010, 11:13 AM   #9
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people need to learn the words and use them properly.

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1. the volatilization or evaporation and subsequent condensation of a liquid, as when water is boiled in a retort and the steam is condensed in a cool receiver.
2. the purification or concentration of a substance, the obtaining of the essence or volatile properties contained in it, or the separation of one substance from another, by such a process.

3. a product of distilling; distillate.
4. the act or fact of distilling or the state of being distilled.
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1. the act of concentrating; the state of being concentrated.
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Old 02-08-2010, 12:09 PM   #10
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I read somewhere that in Belgium its quite common.
I've never heard that before, got a source?

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Checking this site I couldn't find anything to say its common.

Heres a huge list of Belgian beers:
All Belgian Beers


More Belgian beer links:
http://belgianbeerboard.com/
http://blog.seniorennet.be/bierblog/
http://gloriousfoodandwinebelgianbeer.blogspot.com/
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