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Old 01-30-2010, 03:32 PM   #21
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I understand you want to buy the thing outright and be done with it....but for half the money you're going to spend at B3/SABCO, I guarantee you can find someone to weld together some square SS tubing and modify a few instawares pots for you. The designs are simple and the materials are readily available. You could spend the other $2500 on a complete fermentation setup, including conicals. Unsolicited advice I know, but $5500 is a lot of money....no matter how you look at it!
I remember times that I wished I had just bought a brewery while building mine. I built mine not because I couldn't afford a Brew Magic or B3 system but because I am an empty nester with some time to devote and I enjoy building things. If one doesn't have the time, know how and can afford it, more power to them to go out and buy a Brew Magic. He will be brewing immediately instead of trying to find a welder to help him out.
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Old 01-30-2010, 04:09 PM   #22
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Thanks SDG-
I haven't seen one yet, so you bring up some good points.

1) I do like that it sits on a table. I can fab one from 2X4s and have a place underneath to store my malt mill, etc. I'll make sure it's heavy duty enough to hold 17 gal X 3. Besides, you don't have to put it on a table if you don't want to. If I put it on a table, I can gravity feed my wheeled conical which is 32" high. A brew magic looks only tall enough to gravity feed a carboy (right?) and you can't change that without using a pump. The brewmation is 26" high and the BK outlet valve is about 10" up from there, so long story short (hehe) I can have the brewmation kettles no taller than 4' high and still gravity feed my conical from the outlet. That's much shorter than a brewmagic which still needs a step stool to fill with grain.

2) I'll have to bring that up to him about the pumps and plastic- good point. I wonder though how long do march pumps last on average in comparison? Don't know. Maybe he's gotten some feedback and could change the pumps to silicone tubing? I'll ask.

3) Stainless kitchen sinks last forever (at least in my history) and that's with cleaning pots in them and banging them around. I'll check it out, but I don't know if I think that's a big issue considering that the heating elements are inside the kettles and you don't have to worry about scorching from a direct flame thru a thin all. Just take more care when cleaning not to bang them around. Wonder if the gauge stainless is any thinner than say a blichmann kettle? I know they're not so thick.

4) I have a 220 plug inside my apartment just hanging there waiting to be used by something.

I am still looking for someone who owns one on this board and was going to post the question soon before I buy. Thanks for your insight.

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Did you see the fully automated rig in action? All the vids are of the semi-auto. I wonder if it's worth $800 more. The full auto truly is set-it-and-forget-it brewing, but I just wonder how flexible the programming is for doing double batches, multiple step mash rests, and other tricks. The guy says he does side by side batches all the time, but I just have to check out the control box and fiddle with it.

Also, I wonder how the floating recirc and sparging compares to the swirling action that a BM recirc sees. Prob not too much an issue, but still a question.

Anyhoo, if it's full automation that you are after, you will spend much more money with a BM or a full B3 rig than the brewmation and I think that the brewmation is even more automated than they are. Also, to me, the brewmagic looks hard to clean with all that hard piping etc. But I don't have one so I don't really know.

Peace. I'll post when I go check it out myself.

 
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Old 01-30-2010, 05:12 PM   #23
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Thanks for the input guys and I am taking all the points into consideration. I don't have the time to build working nights and having a job that is 75% travel. That is the main reason for my wanting to buy a built system. I am still bouncing back an forth and will think about it as my Rye IPA boils away right now.

 
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Old 01-30-2010, 07:20 PM   #24
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Thanks SDG-
I haven't seen one yet, so you bring up some good points.

1) I do like that it sits on a table. I can fab one from 2X4s and have a place underneath to store my malt mill, etc. I'll make sure it's heavy duty enough to hold 17 gal X 3. Besides, you don't have to put it on a table if you don't want to. If I put it on a table, I can gravity feed my wheeled conical which is 32" high. A brew magic looks only tall enough to gravity feed a carboy (right?) and you can't change that without using a pump. The brewmation is 26" high and the BK outlet valve is about 10" up from there, so long story short (hehe) I can have the brewmation kettles no taller than 4' high and still gravity feed my conical from the outlet. That's much shorter than a brewmagic which still needs a step stool to fill with grain.

2) I'll have to bring that up to him about the pumps and plastic- good point. I wonder though how long do march pumps last on average in comparison? Don't know. Maybe he's gotten some feedback and could change the pumps to silicone tubing? I'll ask.

3) Stainless kitchen sinks last forever (at least in my history) and that's with cleaning pots in them and banging them around. I'll check it out, but I don't know if I think that's a big issue considering that the heating elements are inside the kettles and you don't have to worry about scorching from a direct flame thru a thin all. Just take more care when cleaning not to bang them around. Wonder if the gauge stainless is any thinner than say a blichmann kettle? I know they're not so thick.

4) I have a 220 plug inside my apartment just hanging there waiting to be used by something.

I am still looking for someone who owns one on this board and was going to post the question soon before I buy. Thanks for your insight.

Questions for you:

Did you see the fully automated rig in action? All the vids are of the semi-auto. I wonder if it's worth $800 more. The full auto truly is set-it-and-forget-it brewing, but I just wonder how flexible the programming is for doing double batches, multiple step mash rests, and other tricks. The guy says he does side by side batches all the time, but I just have to check out the control box and fiddle with it.

Also, I wonder how the floating recirc and sparging compares to the swirling action that a BM recirc sees. Prob not too much an issue, but still a question.

Anyhoo, if it's full automation that you are after, you will spend much more money with a BM or a full B3 rig than the brewmation and I think that the brewmation is even more automated than they are. Also, to me, the brewmagic looks hard to clean with all that hard piping etc. But I don't have one so I don't really know.

Peace. I'll post when I go check it out myself.
I confess I did not see it being while brewing but I can say that the automation was explained to me and it seems to very good. As a matter of fact it seems that the automation is more robust than that of the Brew Magic System. As I said in my previous post, it's not a bad system and if you are looking for total automation and electric, it more than fits the bill. I just don't like it having to be put on a table. It adds unnecessary height and that is also a criticism I have of the Brew Magic and the B3. I use a Brew Magic Stand in my system and eventually will go with another, lower stand.
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Old 01-30-2010, 07:23 PM   #25
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Thanks for the input guys and I am taking all the points into consideration. I don't have the time to build working nights and having a job that is 75% travel. That is the main reason for my wanting to buy a built system. I am still bouncing back an forth and will think about it as my Rye IPA boils away right now.
I don't blame you one bit. If thats what you want I wish you the best of luck with whichever system you decide on.
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Old 01-30-2010, 11:15 PM   #26
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Really its just shipping info, payment info, etc....

I am assuming you have one, any recommendations, tips, for a future owner?
Sign up on the BM forum through the link on the Sabco site (bottom of page), and read, read, read.

 
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Old 01-31-2010, 02:42 AM   #27
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Brew magic for sale on ebay:

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Old 01-31-2010, 03:28 AM   #28
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I was in the same position that you are back in June. I went with the B3-1550 (Full digital, IC with Whirlpool). At the time I ordered they had free shipping (My original quote was for $375 for shipping to NY, so I can't see how yours is 800).

I think B3 also has 10% off if you order in January (cutting it close).

While the savings between the fully loaded tippy dump and a brew-magic isn't a ton, it was enough that I was able to get a grain mill, and some extra carboys.

Either way I think you will be thrilled. I love my tippy dump and am just waiting for it to not be 5 degrees outside to start my spring brewing
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Old 01-31-2010, 04:36 AM   #29
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Thanks for the link cowgo

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I was in the same position that you are back in June. I went with the B3-1550 (Full digital, IC with Whirlpool). At the time I ordered they had free shipping (My original quote was for $375 for shipping to NY, so I can't see how yours is 800).

I think B3 also has 10% off if you order in January (cutting it close).

While the savings between the fully loaded tippy dump and a brew-magic isn't a ton, it was enough that I was able to get a grain mill, and some extra carboys.

Either way I think you will be thrilled. I love my tippy dump and am just waiting for it to not be 5 degrees outside to start my spring brewing
I know the shipping cost seemed really high to me and they quoted only an approx $100 saving if I shipped to a commercial address. I may have them verify the shipping

 
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Mine shipped from Grand Rapids MI to NY. Residential Address with no liftgate so I don't know whats the deal with your quote being so high
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