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Old 01-13-2010, 02:04 PM   #11
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OK that sounds good. Why are the directions I am following seem to be so much easier or different than others with primary/secondary fermentation...I am done and letting my wine sit for 6 weeks and then add the sorbate and then the kleer and then I bottle...Does it make a difference that all of this is going on in my galss carboy ascompared to a pail and that my wine is water locked but some recomend leaving it open for air???
Those directions have you rack out of the carboy, clean it and resanitize, then rack back in, so it's not really any easier than regular kits or regular directions.

That kit is apparently designed for simplicity, and airlocking is fine. I only keep my primary covered with a towel, for about 5 days, then the wine is under airlock the rest of the time.

Other kits have other directions. I'm not sure what "wine concentrate" is exactly, but the kit is designed to work with the ingredients and techniques listed. If you want to get into more wines, each kit has specific instructions.

I have several easy wine recipes listed, if you want to make a one gallon batch of your "own" wine. The technique is pretty easy, no matter what kind of wine you're making.


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Old 01-14-2010, 05:27 PM   #12
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Don't want to hijack your thread but I will anyway.

Yoop. I am on my first wine kit, about ready to rack to secondary. For the primary, my instructions never said anything about using an airlock at all. Didn't even mention covering it up even. I just naturally assumed the worst would happen if I didn't do something, so I put an airlock on it right away. You mentioned you just put a towel over it for the first few days. Is there a difference, or is that just the way you do it?

Next - degassing. When is it supposed to be done? And what would you recommend as a method to doing so? I'm using a carboy so stirring with a spoon is fairly implausible. I've seen the three pronged device that will fit in a carboy, but I want to see if I like the wine first before I start investing in more equipment.

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Old 01-14-2010, 05:37 PM   #13
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Help yourself to the thread...I dont mind! How do you know that you are ready to rack to secondary and what does the top of your wine look like at this point because I am about 3 days in, the "moldy looking stuff" that was on the top of my wine after 24 hrs is no longer there...I just have some foam/suds but my water lock is pumping away with bubbles??? I guess that means I am producing alcohol...Here are my directions jmendez29, maybe they will help you because it tells me I should not secondary rack for 6-8 weeks.... http://www.homewinery.com/concentrate.pdf thats my link for directions...
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My instructions tell me that after about 10 days, I should be at 1.010 for SG, that's when I rack to secondary. Today is my 10 day mark and I'll be taking a gravity sample to see if that's where I'm at. As for what it looks like, it started out with some foam on top but that went away after about a day. Then it was clear on top, but I could see bubbles rising as if it were carbonated. And last night, it looked like it had a thin layer of foam/bubbles covering about 80% of the surface. The whole time, the airlock was popping away

Your instructions look a whole lot different than mine. I don't recall adding sugar, but when I made it, it was on a day that I bottled one beer, transferred two to secondary, and brewed a new beer. After all that, I decided I didn't have enough abuse and made my wine kit that was sitting there, mocking me, for the past month. I'll have to check that when I get home, my memory isn't so great from that day.

I'm sure that after I get a couple wines done, I'll understand the process a whole lot more, just like the first few times I've made beer, but for now, I have a lot of questions and am just as nervous about screwing this up as I was with my first brew.
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Old 01-14-2010, 06:00 PM   #15
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I had to add the sugar because I bought just the concentrate from a wine supply store, it was much much cheaper than buying the concentrate with the grape juice...I saved about $60 and then bought $5 worth of sugar, whether it turns out or not will be a diff story....I dont really care if I screw it up, its just a matter of not knowing if you screwed it up until 6-8 weeks later!
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Don't want to hijack your thread but I will anyway.

Yoop. I am on my first wine kit, about ready to rack to secondary. For the primary, my instructions never said anything about using an airlock at all. Didn't even mention covering it up even. I just naturally assumed the worst would happen if I didn't do something, so I put an airlock on it right away. You mentioned you just put a towel over it for the first few days. Is there a difference, or is that just the way you do it?

Next - degassing. When is it supposed to be done? And what would you recommend as a method to doing so? I'm using a carboy so stirring with a spoon is fairly implausible. I've seen the three pronged device that will fit in a carboy, but I want to see if I like the wine first before I start investing in more equipment.

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What kit are you doing? Usually, the "better" kits have very good instructions. I just cover the wine in primary, to keep fruitflies out. The fermentation produces some co2, and often with fruit wines you get a "cap" on the top that needs to be stirred down. That's not the case with wine kits, so you can just follow the kit instructions.

As far as degassing, you'll do that before the finings are added. I have a mix/stir that hooks up to my drill and it whips the gas out of the wine. If you want to do it manually, you just stir until your arm falls off. And then, do it some more! I did my first few kits that way, and it worked out ok. I'm enjoying the labor-saving stirrer, though, now!
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I had to add the sugar because I bought just the concentrate from a wine supply store, it was much much cheaper than buying the concentrate with the grape juice...I saved about $60 and then bought $5 worth of sugar, whether it turns out or not will be a diff story....I dont really care if I screw it up, its just a matter of not knowing if you screwed it up until 6-8 weeks later!
Most wine kits are concentrated grape juice with skins (or without). The grape concentrate would be cheaper, so the sugar is added to boost the ABV. I'm anticipating that that wine won't be great in your case, but it should be drinkable.

With wine kits, you really do get what you pay for. There are $60 kits that are ok (notably Winexpert) that make a wine similar to a $3-$5 bottle of wine. Then there are the over $150 kits that make a wine similar to a $15-$25 of wine. A wine made out of sugar and grape concentrate would definitely be on the low end of kit quality.
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http://www.northernbrewer.com/winema...6d37aa714e53ac

This is the kit that I made. I got this type because its supposed to be more like the Arbor Mist style of "wine". I'm no expert, but I know enough about wine to know that some $5 bottles taste better to me than some $40 bottles. So on that note, I was kind of hesitant to spend a significant amount of money on a wine that I may not like. So I figured this would be a good way to start out. Make a few kits, get some inventory going, then start experimenting with different stuff. Maybe learn a couple things along the way.
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By the way, thanks Yoop. I appreciate the input.
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My friend makes those Island Mist kits all the time. While she hasn't made that one (that I know of), she's made the Mango citrus symphony several times, and the Kiwi Pear something. I think there was an Apple something, too.

They all came out great! They are not to my taste, but they are great for what they are. She has a pool, and many friends sit around the pool sipping these "wine coolers". I've tried all the ones she's made and I would say they are very good.

Those instructions aren't bad, so you can follow them and be assured of good results. Add the F-pack (or whatever it's called) at the end when they tell you to, and then you'll be all set.


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