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Old 10-23-2006, 04:41 PM   #1
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This is a real news story;

Original URL: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10..._fingerprints/
Beer fingerprints to go UK-wide
By Mark Ballard
Published Friday 20th October 2006 17:45 GMT

The government is funding the roll out of fingerprint security at the doors of pubs and clubs in major English cities.

Funding is being offered to councils that want to have their pubs keep a regional black list of known trouble makers. The fingerprint network installed in February by South Somerset District Council in Yeovil drinking holes is being used as the showcase

"The Home Office have looked at our system and are looking at trials in other towns including Coventry, Hull & Sheffield," said Julia Bradburn, principal licensing manager at South Somerset District Council.

Gwent and Nottingham police have also shown an interest, while Taunton, a town neighbouring Yeovil, is discussing the installation of fingerprint systems in 10 pubs and clubs with the systems supplier CreativeCode.

Bradburn could not say if fingerprint security in Yeovil had displaced crime to neighbouring towns, but she noted that domestic violence had risen in Yeovil. She could not give more details until the publication of national crime statistics to coincide with the anniversary of lax pub licensing laws on 24 November.

She was, however, able to say that alcohol-related crime had reduced by 48 per cent Yeovil between February and September 2006.

The council had assumed it was its duty under the Crime and Disorder Act (1998) to reduce drunken disorder by fingerprinting drinkers in the town centre.

Some licensees were not happy to have their punters fingerprinted, but are all now apparently behind the idea. Not only does the council let them open later if they join the scheme, but the system costs them only 1.50 a day to run.

Oh, and they are also coerced into taking the fingerprint system. New licences stipulate that a landlord who doesn't install fingerprint security and fails to show a "considerable" reduction in alcohol-related violence, will be put on report by the police and have their licences revoked.

Offenders can be banned from one pub or all of them for a specified time - usually a period of months - by a committee of landlords and police called Pub Watch. Their offences are recorded against their names in the fingerprint system. Bradburn noted the system had a "psychological effect" on offenders.

She said there had been only been two "major" instances of alcohol-related crime reported in Yeovil pubs and clubs since February. One was a sexual assault in a club toilet.

The other occurred last Friday when an under-18 Disco at Dukes nightclub got out of hand after the youngsters had obtained some alcohol from elsewhere. A fight between two youngsters escalated into a brawl involving 435 12 to 16 year olds

A major incident is when 15 police attend the scene, said Bradburn. She was unable to say how many minor incidents there had been, but acknowledged that fights were still occurring in the streets of Yeovil.

The Home Office paid for Yeovil's system in full, with 6,000 of Safer, Stronger Communities funding.

Bradburn said the Home Office had paid her scheme a visit and subsequently decided to fund similar systems in Coventry, Hull and Sheffield.

The Home Office distanced itself from the plans. It said it provided funding to Safer, Stronger Communities through the Department for Communities and Local Government's Local Area Agreements. How they spent the money was a local decision, said a HO spokeswoman.
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Old 10-23-2006, 07:42 PM   #2
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More fuss and nonsense using a bunch of statistics to try and 'prove' science will cure everything. Ten pubs and clubs????? In Yeovil????? Big study that, £6000 is a lot of money eh? The fact that the real trouble happens out in the streets with '435 (how did they count them? I doubt CCTV!) 12 to 16 year olds fighting' is a joke. Feb to Sept 06 tied in with the 2 month (June/July 06) police/pub landlord/managers taking more vigilance during the soccer World Cup too.....

 
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:00 PM   #3
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Very wierd. Is there that much violence in bars in the UK? I have heard through the BBC that there is a problem W/ teenage "Hooligans" beating people up on the streets, but I would assume that that is a extremly rare occurance. I say give the bartenders/servers Tazers and zap the crap out of any prick fighting in their buisness.
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Old 10-25-2006, 02:05 AM   #4
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And we're the outlaws! Sweet.

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Very wierd. Is there that much violence in bars in the UK? I have heard through the BBC that there is a problem W/ teenage "Hooligans" beating people up on the streets, but I would assume that that is a extremly rare occurance. I say give the bartenders/servers Tazers and zap the crap out of any prick fighting in their buisness.
According to my British friends it's actually extremely common. Apparently they have video cameras mounted on street poles feeding back to police HQ so that cops can be quickly dispatched. Maybe some of the Brits here will weigh in...

 
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Old 10-25-2006, 02:18 AM   #5
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According to my British friends it's actually extremely common. Apparently they have video cameras mounted on street poles feeding back to police HQ so that cops can be quickly dispatched. Maybe some of the Brits here will weigh in...

Careful BeeG, that's what Burnsie got the axe for!

In some of the rougher places in northern Alberta, metal detectors are becoming more common in bars. Mostly just kid's bars, crappy dance clubs and the like. Kinda depressing really.
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Old 10-25-2006, 02:25 AM   #6
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I guess that's a good idea from the standpoint of the bars, they keep out the troublemakers before they get in and get hammered. I'm sure not alot of bars can afford the equipment and/or can afford to lose the hooligans' business. I guess it's like some bars in the US banning smoking. Yeah you lose the some of the smokers but you will probably make up for it in those who will start going out to the bars again because the environment has been changed.
The "black helicopter" crowd will always frown on this kind of stuff. I have mixed feelings about it.

 
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