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Old 11-17-2009, 07:41 PM   #1
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I'd like to do an experiment soon in which I brew a larger batch of pale ale and split it three ways to test several different yeast strains. I'd also like to combine this with my first attempt culturing up from some bottle conditioned beers.

I'll definitely be culturing up from a Sierra Nevada bottle, but I'd also like to try something made with American Ale 2. Has anybody confirmed that this is the strain that Bell's uses? I don't really want to culture up from Bell's if they use 1056.

I've seen the chart on MrMalty, which doesn't have any information on Bell's, and I've seen this chart that I don't really trust due to all the question marks and "Last updated May 29 1998."

Finally, I see that Anchor definitely uses American Ale 2 in their Liberty Ale. Is this beer bottle-conditioned? I can't find any clear information online.

My last yeast will be 1968 London ESB, which I already have a little bank of.

 
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:20 PM   #2
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I have seen two references on HBT saying that Bells uses WLP0051 California V yeast (equivalent to 1272 American Ale Yeast2 I think). However I would love to have that confirmed.
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:51 PM   #3
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Pretty sure it's a house strain. There was a thread on an Oberon clone that discussed alot of this - some guys felt they got close with Wyeast 1272, but other's thought it made the difference with bottle harvested yeast.

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f12/what...58/#post348333

 
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:59 PM   #4
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It's proprietary.

 
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Old 11-17-2009, 09:04 PM   #5
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It is proprietary, confirmed by sales rep. American ale II (1272) is not all that close IMO.

 
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Old 11-17-2009, 09:11 PM   #6
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It is proprietary, confirmed by sales rep. American ale II (1272) is not all that close IMO.
American ale II is the Anchor Liberty ale strain, the same as Cal V.

I talked to John Mallett last time I was at Bell's production brewery and not only did he confirm it was proprietary but it's the exact same strain for every ale. The only time they use a different yeast is on lagers or doing Brett beers and anything funky is done at the old brewery. Right on their control panel they had a sticker with following on it:

Hell Hath No Fury 78
Two Hearted 76
Winter White 74
Ales 72
Lagers 48-50

 
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Old 11-17-2009, 09:13 PM   #7
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A buddy gave me a slant of Bell's house yeast that they harvested from a bottle of 2 hearted and said they'd gotten up to 14% abv with it, so doesn't sound like 1272 to me?
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The other piece of info that is noteworthy is that Oberon is the beer Bell's uses to grow their yeast, so that is the best beer to culture from as it will be the youngest generation. A fresh bottle of Oberon is your best bet for a good culture.

 
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Those temps are crazy high... can that be right? Primary ferment at 78F???

 
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Those temps are crazy high... can that be right? Primary ferment at 78F???
Have you had that beer, it tastes like a Belgian.
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The other piece of info that is noteworthy is that Oberon is the beer Bell's uses to grow their yeast, so that is the best beer to culture from as it will be the youngest generation. A fresh bottle of Oberon is your best bet for a good culture.
What is the source for this? They have a tank there that they use exclusively to culture yeast John showed it to me, and Oberon is seasonal so even if the do grow yeast in it they couldn't use it year round.

 
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