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Old 02-05-2013, 04:01 AM   #1121
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Ha! I'm sorry and you're welcome at the same time, then. I wish you luck. If you have any questions about the beer that isn't covered in this thread or any general brewing questions please ask.
Thanks! But I am not sure what has not yet been covered in the ~112 pages of this thread that I have already read.
I should have all my equipment and be ready to brew on Sunday
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Old 02-05-2013, 11:51 PM   #1122
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Thanks! But I am not sure what has not yet been covered in the ~112 pages of this thread that I have already read.
I should have all my equipment and be ready to brew on Sunday
I stand corrected! I have not even started and am already in trouble Not sure if it a big deal or not. I took a trip out to our LHBS to pick up all of my supplies. I was looking for the Hallataur and saw New Zealand Hallataur instead of a North American variety. The Alpha is 6.7%. I see the Alpha on your recipe used 4.8%. I am uncertain if I will be able to get to the LHBS to get the correct one before my planned weekend brew. Can I scale down the amount and still be ok, or could the NZ variety cause a undesired change in my beer?
Also, it is in a foil vaccum wrap, but appears to be leaves instead of pellets.


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Old 02-06-2013, 12:10 AM   #1123
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I stand corrected! I have not even started and am already in trouble Not sure if it a big deal or not. I took a trip out to our LHBS to pick up all of my supplies. I was looking for the Hallataur and saw New Zealand Hallataur instead of a North American variety. The Alpha is 6.7%. I see the Alpha on your recipe used 4.8%. I am uncertain if I will be able to get to the LHBS to get the correct one before my planned weekend brew. Can I scale down the amount and still be ok, or could the NZ variety cause a undesired change in my beer?
Also, it is in a foil vaccum wrap, but appears to be leaves instead of pellets.

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This is not an issue on both counts ( not sure how you got New Zealand Hallertau though, it's one of the most common hops from one of the more obscure growing regions).
Variety trumps growing region in what makes hops taste different. You can multiply the AA number with the weight in ounces. Then divide that number by the AA of the hops you have and that should tell you how many Ounces of the hops to add.
Additionally, whole hops will bitter, weight for weight, with pellets -there is no conversion ( the exception being fresh, not dried, hops where it's about 7 to 1 due to water weight).
Also, the earlier in the boil, the less the variety matters. Up to about the 30 min mark you really are getting bittering from the AA and not character like flavor or aroma with most hop varieties (there are some exceptions to this from what I understand).
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:28 AM   #1124
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This is not an issue on both counts ( not sure how you got New Zealand Hallertau though, it's one of the most common hops from one of the more obscure growing regions).
Variety trumps growing region in what makes hops taste different. You can multiply the AA number with the weight in ounces. Then divide that number by the AA of the hops you have and that should tell you how many Ounces of the hops to add.
Additionally, whole hops will bitter, weight for weight, with pellets -there is no conversion ( the exception being fresh, not dried, hops where it's about 7 to 1 due to water weight).
Also, the earlier in the boil, the less the variety matters. Up to about the 30 min mark you really are getting bittering from the AA and not character like flavor or aroma with most hop varieties (there are some exceptions to this from what I understand).
Thanks Brewsksi that makes me feel a bit better. If I don't get to brew this weekend it will be a couple of more weeks before I have time ( I love my kids but they sure soak up a lot of time).

As for pellets vs leaves, I am guessing leaves as I am under the impression the pellets are bigger ( just based on pics from the inter webs). Could this just be a pile of smaller pellets?
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Old 02-06-2013, 04:39 AM   #1125
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Those almost certainly look like pellets. A one ounce bag of leaves is usually bigger (unless the photo makes it bigger than it is.)

Also, Brewskii is spot-on
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Old 02-06-2013, 01:01 PM   #1126
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Those almost certainly look like pellets. A one ounce bag of leaves is usually bigger (unless the photo makes it bigger than it is.)

Also, Brewskii is spot-on
+1. -(about the pellets I mean).
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Old 02-09-2013, 05:22 AM   #1127
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I have chech saaz and no hallertau, think it will be a LOT different of a beer if I use saaz instead? Any other suggestions as I cannot go to the brew store for awhile again and would like to brew this again. Brewed it before and it is fantastic for sure!!
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Old 02-09-2013, 05:24 AM   #1128
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Oh, I can always bitter with something else as I hear saaz isn't very good for that.
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Old 02-09-2013, 01:03 PM   #1129
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Oh, I can always bitter with something else as I hear saaz isn't very good for that.
Where did you hear that? It just has a low alpha acid % so you use a little more.

And I'm pretty sure hallertauer and saaz have similar aa%
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I read it actually last night right after I posted it. Something about a flavor that saaz imparts to the beer when bittering with it? I wish I would have saved the link or I wish I remembered where I read it... I don't know I have never heard that before but never bittered with it so not sure? I could always use warrior as it's a really clean bittering hop and I have that and I could then use the saaz in the later addition.
Just stick with all saaz or warrior/saaz? Thoughts?
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