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Old 09-25-2009, 02:15 PM   #11
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I find PBW to be superior and worth the minimal extra cost. I don't like using Oxyclean as I feel I never get it rinsed satisfactorily and PBW just does a way better cleaning job in way less time.

 
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Old 09-25-2009, 02:20 PM   #12
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Five Star's Liquid Line Cleaner (LLC) product is caustic. I got it at my LHBS.
If by caustic you mean alkaline, then yes many household chemicals including bleach are caustic. But in the brewing world when talking about cleaners "caustic" refers to caustic soda cleaners. PBW is a buffered alkaline cleaner and is considered non-caustic. Even if you do consider that a caustic by your own definition that post was still incredibly wrong because PBW uses oxygen to remove deposits.

 
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Old 09-25-2009, 02:36 PM   #13
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I find PBW to be superior and worth the minimal extra cost. I don't like using Oxyclean as I feel I never get it rinsed satisfactorily and PBW just does a way better cleaning job in way less time.
It's really not a minimal extra cost. PBW is $20 for 4 lbs ($5/lb), Oxiclean is $6.50 for 2.5 lbs ($2.60/lb) or $11 for 96 oz. ($1.83/lb) and apparently "Sun Oxygen Cleaner" is the same as Oxiclean and is available for $1/lb.

I'm not trying to convince you to use oxiclean, or anything else, but PBW is way more expensive.

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If by caustic you mean alkaline, then yes many household chemicals including bleach are caustic. But in the brewing world when talking about cleaners "caustic" refers to caustic soda cleaners. PBW is a buffered alkaline cleaner and is considered non-caustic. Even if you do consider that a caustic by your own definition that post was still incredibly wrong because PBW uses oxygen to remove deposits.


LLC is a 38% solution of sodium hydroxide.

PBW is not caustic. I didn't say it was. I was simply pointing out that you can buy ACTUAL caustic at your LHBS.

 
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Old 09-25-2009, 02:39 PM   #14
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There is a really good Brewstrong Show that deals exactly with this - http://thebrewingnetwork.com/shows/B...10-08-Cleaning

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Old 09-25-2009, 02:50 PM   #15
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I think the cost is small because it translates into less that a cent per pour difference and I get away more enjoyment than that from the difference. I have used a ton of oxi in my day and honestly much prefer PBW.

 
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Old 09-25-2009, 02:51 PM   #16
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LLC is a 38% solution of sodium hydroxide.

PBW is not caustic. I didn't say it was. I was simply pointing out that you can buy ACTUAL caustic at your LHBS.
Right on, I should have read your post a little closer. That product isn't marketed specifically at homebrewers though and I have never seen it for sale in a homebrew store. Consider yourself lucky that your LHBS owner finds his customers responsible enough to use it.

 
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Old 09-25-2009, 04:20 PM   #17
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FWIW, I use Oxi to clean instead of PBW.

I have SOFT water

I rinse my fermentors with StarSan anyway...

It think it cleans just as well as PBW in my brewery.

I set my BK to 150F, put in 7 gallons of water and one scoop of Oxi (generic) and let it soak for an hour, drain... done. I have not seen a difference in the (2) cleaners, just in the size of my wallet.

 
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Old 09-25-2009, 04:26 PM   #18
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FWIW, I use Oxi to clean instead of PBW.

I have SOFT water
I think this is where I think you will see the most difference between people think that one is better than the other. If you have hard water, I think you will have less luck with Oxi and prefer PBW.

 
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Old 09-25-2009, 04:31 PM   #19
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I think this is where I think you will see the most difference between people think that one is better than the other. If you have hard water, I think you will have less luck with Oxi and prefer PBW.
Exactly, which is why I mentioned that.

 
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Old 09-25-2009, 04:52 PM   #20
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I think the cost is small because it translates into less that a cent per pour difference and I get away more enjoyment than that from the difference. I have used a ton of oxi in my day and honestly much prefer PBW.
BK not trying to sway you but you using fuzzy math? @2.60 a pound for Oxy and PBW @ 5$ per pound where do you get less than a cent difference? Just wondering .

Edit: Never mind I just reread ... Per use
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