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Old 09-02-2009, 07:50 PM   #1
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I was just in one of the local suppliers and I think it is time to considering switching. The new sales guy just finished telling me that there is no need to sterilize the bottles for beer they won't go off. "It's not like they will be sitting around for a month or 2".

Then he said that to just wash the primary. That'll be clean enough.

Ummm I'm new to this but I know that ain't right. I know the owner I wonder if he knows the new guy is telling people to use bad brewing practices.


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Old 09-02-2009, 07:53 PM   #2
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I'd like to see the beer this guy makes. Well...I suppose I probably don't. He was right in telling you that you don't need to sterilize bottles though. Sanitation is needed, but sterilization is just not neccissary. I've had bottles in my cellar for well over a year.


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Old 09-02-2009, 08:15 PM   #3
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Most of my bottled beers sit >2 months. Which is WHY I bottle them. Short term beers I keg.

I clean/sterilize my bottles in the dishwasher.

Now primaries definitely need to be sterilized, or you are taking a gamble that's not worth taking IMO.


Also, just because the hired help might have a different take on a process, doesn't mean I would jump ship. You buy their stuff, not their advice.
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Old 09-02-2009, 10:47 PM   #4
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Not to derail, but I want to highlight suthern's point and point out the distinction between sterilize and sanitize. We don't sterilize our equipment - which would be to kill all life of any kind on our equipment. We do, with starsan or idophor, sanitize our equipment, which kills the noxious bugs which might cause an infection.

But the OP's point that we need to sanitize carefully is, of course, spot on.

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SFBEER,

I feel you on that one. I don't go to my LHBS for supplies because the two employees who I've talked to are pretty sarcastic to new customers (I've only been in there twice). I understand (and even condone) messing around with people you know, but as a new customer and new brewer, if I walk in with a legitimate question that involves an answer of buying something at their store, I would like to be informed so in a positive way instead of looking at me like I shouldn't be there and that my business is a hindrance to them, as it involves questions that they are being requested to answer.

Whether it's bad advice or bad customer service, it's very difficult to get a second first impression.

Now, the major online players are great, and cheaper to boot. I'll gladly pay some shipping and save on product cost to be valued as a customer.
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Now, the major online players are great, and cheaper to boot. I'll gladly pay some shipping and save on product cost to be valued as a customer.
I'm so busy with life that the convenience of having the items I want delivered to my door are worth it to me. Plus many times even with shipping the costs are lower than if I were to drive to my LHBS.
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Most of my bottled beers sit >2 months. Which is WHY I bottle them. Short term beers I keg.

I clean/sterilize my bottles in the dishwasher.
It is highly unlikely that anyone's dishwasher is sterilizing anything.


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Now primaries definitely need to be sterilized, or you are taking a gamble that's not worth taking IMO.
How big is your autoclave or pressure canner?
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It is highly unlikely that anyone's dishwasher is sterilizing anything.




How big is your autoclave or pressure canner?

I have an image of a mad scientist in his basement "Igor, start the autoclave!"

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I think the best thing to do is to let the owner know what this guy has said. I mean, if I owned the place, I would certainly question someone who gives out bad info like this. At least set him straight, if not replace him entirely.

He might be right. It really depends on hos fast you are chugging your beer. But he is wrong in giving you that advice. He has no idea how long your beer will sit in those bottles. Most of my bottled beer has sat for 6 months to a year.

As far as not sanitizing the primary, well, that is just plain stupid. Both situations woudl be like playing Russian Roulette with your beer. It's only a matter of time.
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From my own experiences and hearing about others on this board it sounds like brew stores are just run by generally snobby people. I don't go often, due to cheaper online prices, but when I need to go to the store I do not want to encounter these guys that give bad or snobby answers. So I just walk in, buy my stuff and leave.

This board has provided every answer I need and there's not really any d-bags here to deal with. So I don't see any reason to ask them anything when I go into the store.


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