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Old 08-21-2009, 05:48 PM   #1
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It's about the time of year to start thinking of a Bock to get through the winter months ahead. (Winter doesn't really kick in here until after Christmas). I'm looking for something with a dead simple grain and hop bill and am settling down on something like this:


6.5 lbs Vienna
6.5 lbs Dark Munich
1 lb Melandonin

2 oz Perle (8%) FWH

Mash at a moderate temperature (150-152)

Wyeast Bavarian Lager or While Labs German Bock

1.070 OG, 1.018 FG, 23 IBU, 16 SRM


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Old 08-21-2009, 07:16 PM   #2
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If it were me, I wouldn't FWH a bock. It'll bring out way too many fruity, herbally flavor elements that you don't usually want in a bock.

Also, your calculated IBUs seems pretty low for 2 oz of 8% Perle. My calculator comes out around 46 IBU Tinseth or 63 IBU Rager. This presumes a full 5 gallon boil. (I'm not at home, so I didn't use BeerSmith, but the web calculator I used looks right.) So I'd back off on the hops some. You want the malt to be the star of your bock.

Grain bill looks great, extra malty & flavorful & mashing low looks good. I've not used the Dark Munich before. Has it got plenty of enzymes to convert itself?


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Good question on the diastic power of the Dark Munich...I'll need to investigate that a bit, thank you.

FWH is percived as about a ~20 min addition according to my reading (I also no-chill, so it makes the conversion easy ). I've FWH'd a couple of beers now and been very pleased with them. (This would be my first solely FWH beer, though)
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Upon further investigation, the Dark Munich is only good up to 30% of the grsit. Now there are two directions to go:

Option 1
6.5 lbs Vienna
6.5 lbs Munich
1 lb Melanoidin
2 oz Dehusked Carafa III or De-bittered black (trying to minimize roasty/burnt flavors)

1.070 OG, 16 SRM

Option 2
Weyermann indicates Melanoidin malt is good up to 20% so,

5.75 lbs Vienna
5.75 lbs Munich
2.75 lbs Melanoidin

1.070 OG, 15 SRM

Both should yield a full malt profile at the low end of the style range for color; both are relatively simple grain bills. Quite frankly, either of these would probably do pretty well. Am I missing something?
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Old 08-21-2009, 09:18 PM   #6
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Is that the 'Snow Day Bock' that you just put up?
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Old 08-21-2009, 10:10 PM   #7
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Why would you put Vienna in a bock? This looks more like a Ofest, IMO.

I would suggest to use Light Munich 70-80% grist, some German pils to help convert and some coloring malts to add depth & color (Caramunich, Special B, Aromatic etc).

Yeast is everything for a bock. I am a fan of WLP833.
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I like your first option & I think it'll be fine with Vienna in there. However, bock doesn't strike me as a FWH kind of beer. I've FWH'ed a number of times & I like it, but I think it's probably wrong for a bock where often you only add bittering hops but little or not flavor or aroma additions. Also, FWH add IBUs like a full 60 minute boil but with the additional flavoring of a 20 minute addition. (It's a smooth bitterness, though for its IBUs.) However, I think all that flavor hops is going to be very un-bock-like. That's OK if you want a beer that's not traditional. Just make sure that's what you want.

Like Oxymoron, I also love 833 for yeast.
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Alright; the order is on the way from BMW. I'm going to go with option 1 and move the hops to 1.25 oz Perle (8%) at 60. WLP833 for the yeast.

Brewing Saturday with a Vienna. Christmas and Thanksgiving beers on the same day at the end of August
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Dark Munich varies between maltsters. Some are 6-row and some are 2-row. Most should have just enough diastatic power to convert itself but just barely. I would be wary of using a really high percentage of 6-row Dark Munich but you can use 2-row Dark Munich up to high percentages.

It also depends what you call 'dark' munich. Weyermann Munich Type I is only about 6L and their Type II is around 9L...so their Type II is the same as some other maltster's 'Light' Munich. The Weyermann stuff is 2-row.


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