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Old 08-01-2009, 01:23 AM   #11
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While this is valid, at the same time THEY are in a new country where the predominate language is English.

In this case BOTH should learn a word so that effective communication is established and BOTH are bettered by the situation.
In most of the US that is true, but in any large city, you'll find areas where the predominant language is not English. These are popular areas for new immigrants, because it takes some of the stress out of the move to a new country and culture.
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Old 08-01-2009, 01:36 AM   #12
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In most of the US that is true, but in any large city, you'll find areas where the predominant language is not English. These are popular areas for new immigrants, because it takes some of the stress out of the move to a new country and culture.
And it has been that way since before this country was even established, so lets try to keep any "immigrants are ruining America" comments to a minimum, please.

 
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Old 08-01-2009, 01:41 AM   #13
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And it has been that way since before this country was even established, so lets try to keep any "immigrants are ruining America" comments to a minimum, please.
Not sure if I didn't give my post the tone I meant to, but I was definitely not trying to say that it's a bad thing. If I moved to a country where I didn't know the language, I would like to start by living in an area that makes the transition easier by lowering my need to learn the language and culture all at once.
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Not sure if I didn't give my post the tone I meant to, but I was definitely not trying to say that it's a bad thing. If I moved to a country where I didn't know the language, I would like to start by living in an area that makes the transition easier by lowering my need to learn the language and culture all at once.
No, sorry, wasn't aimed at you. Just trying to head off any future problems.

 
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Old 08-01-2009, 02:17 AM   #15
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In most of the US that is true, but in any large city, you'll find areas where the predominant language is not English. These are popular areas for new immigrants, because it takes some of the stress out of the move to a new country and culture.
I understand this, and I understand that making a transition to a new country/culture can be stressful. While their neighborhood may be predominately of their native language, the country is predominately English (for the moment).

I am not saying that "immigrants are ruining the nation", I believe the US has been and should be the "great mixing pot" for those that wish to become part of our nation legally, but for us to function together we should have a common shared language to help cross cultural/language barriers that arise. For this reason, helping by writing in both languages so BOTH parties learn from each other seems like the best option to help take out some of the stress of moving to a new country.

However, if someone has been in this country legally or otherwise for any extended period of time and has refused to make any attempt at learning the language, I hold no sympathy and retract any special considerations. If I were to spend any time in their country I would do my best to learn their culture and language to the best of my ability, as a sign of respect for them and their nation. If they do not extend the same courtesy to me/us while in my/our home, why should we bend over backward for their stubborn disrespect?

It swings both ways... "While in Rome..."
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Old 08-01-2009, 02:19 AM   #16
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Maybe it's because the only job a new immigrant can get is cleaning trash up for other folks. It's just possible that as soon as they get a grip on the language, they will move up on the employment ladder to a better job with better pay.

Cleaning crews need to be absolutely SURE that something is trash before they will take it or it will cost them their much needed job.

Get over it.
Exactly this. Also, whomever is sourcing the cleaning is going with the lowest bidder, and anyone who can speak *any* English is above that hiring bracket. Welcome to capitalism, enjoy your stay.

The janitorial company hired where I work employs local English speaking, American teenagers. They touch exactly one item in each cubicle - the trash can. If it's not in or on the can, it doesn't go.

 
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I understand this, and I understand that making a transition to a new country/culture can be stressful. While their neighborhood may be predominately of their native language, the country is predominately English (for the moment).

I am not saying that "immigrants are ruining the nation", I believe the US has been and should be the "great mixing pot" for those that wish to become part of our nation legally, but for us to function together we should have a common shared language to help cross cultural/language barriers that arise. For this reason, helping by writing in both languages so BOTH parties learn from each other seems like the best option to help take out some of the stress of moving to a new country.

However, if someone has been in this country legally or otherwise for any extended period of time and has refused to make any attempt at learning the language, I hold no sympathy and retract any special considerations. If I were to spend any time in their country I would do my best to learn their culture and language to the best of my ability, as a sign of respect for them and their nation. If they do not extend the same courtesy to me/us while in my/our home, why should we bend over backward for their stubborn disrespect?

It swings both ways... "While in Rome..."
Well put, I agree
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Old 08-01-2009, 02:20 AM   #18
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I understand this, and I understand that making a transition to a new country/culture can be stressful. While their neighborhood may be predominately of their native language, the country is predominately English (for the moment).

I am not saying that "immigrants are ruining the nation", I believe the US has been and should be the "great mixing pot" for those that wish to become part of our nation legally, but for us to function together we should have a common shared language to help cross cultural/language barriers that arise. For this reason, helping by writing in both languages so BOTH parties learn from each other seems like the best option to help take out some of the stress of moving to a new country.

However, if someone has been in this country legally or otherwise for any extended period of time and has refused to make any attempt at learning the language, I hold no sympathy and retract any special considerations. If I were to spend any time in their country I would do my best to learn their culture and language to the best of my ability, as a sign of respect for them and their nation. If they do not extend the same courtesy to me/us while in my/our home, why should we bend over backward for their stubborn disrespect?

It swings both ways... "While in Rome..."
But how do you know when somebody hasn't taken strides to learn the language? How about somebody who has, say an immigrant of advancing years, and can't grasp it? English is one of the most difficult languages to learn.

I'd try my best to learn another language if I lived where it was necessary (I learned Southern when I lived in NC ) but sometimes it's just hard for people.

This whole trash rant seems a bit overwrought to me.

 
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Old 08-01-2009, 03:12 AM   #19
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That's all well and good. You got your trash picked up.

Our custodians are white, male, union, English speakers and they don't take the trash out even if I mark the boxes as "Trash."
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Section 4-1-404 –English and Legal Language (1984)

English is hereby established as the official and legal language of Tennessee. All communications and publications, including ballots, produced by governmental entities in Tennessee shall be in English, and instruction in public schools and colleges of Tennessee shall be conducted in English unless the nature of the course would require otherwise.


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