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Old 05-14-2009, 04:06 PM   #101
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... you still have a MASSIVE deficit because you keep spending like drunken sailors.
I have to respectfully disagree. Saying they spend like drunken sailors it to do disservice to drunken sailors worldwide, ‘cause they spend their own money.

 
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Old 05-14-2009, 04:10 PM   #103
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That cash cow is going to dry up significantly. I know a bunch of people who are quitting because it is straight up too expensive. WI is raising tobacco taxes again by a huge margin for the second time this year.

Great work guys... oh by the way, you still have a MASSIVE deficit because you keep spending like drunken sailors.
Or people will enter the smuggling business as a way around the taxes. I think I read something about Michigan attempting to tax those who have taken to rolling their own tobacco cig.s.

It's a shame to read about people being duped into thinking this whole smoking ban thing is about their health. It isn't, it's about control. We've been worked into a frenzy about the effects of second hand smoke. While it's unpleasant, it hardly rises to the level of health hazard.

Many Ohio bars are ignoring the recently passed smoking ban. Good for them.

 
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Old 05-14-2009, 04:19 PM   #105
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I've been told that there are quite a few places where I live that ignore it completely, with off duty police officers as patrons.
Yep, Same here. Had a beer with a friend/police officer the other week. He was smoking in the bar.

 
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Old 05-14-2009, 04:30 PM   #106
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That cash cow is going to dry up significantly. I know a bunch of people who are quitting because it is straight up too expensive. WI is raising tobacco taxes again by a huge margin for the second time this year.

Great work guys... oh by the way, you still have a MASSIVE deficit because you keep spending like drunken sailors.
Great. Now I have that damn pirate song stuck in my head and have this increasing thirst for rum and smell of sea salt.

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Old 05-14-2009, 04:32 PM   #107
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Oregon put in a complete ban this year. I really preferred the old law that allowed placed where kids weren't allowed (bars) to chose. Oddly enough, with the exception of the Horse Brass, every place I was likely to go was smoke-free already. Only real dives were smoking bars.

(HB is a fake British dive, but they serve good beer. Hard to imagine it without the smog.)
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Old 05-14-2009, 04:35 PM   #108
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Or people will enter the smuggling business as a way around the taxes. I think I read something about Michigan attempting to tax those who have taken to rolling their own tobacco cig.s.
SChip is a Federal/State program and it expanded RYO (Roll Your Own) Federal Excise taxes by something akin to 2200%.

Figure $24 extra in tax for a pound of tobacco.
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Old 05-14-2009, 05:18 PM   #109
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I just can't fathom the anti-smokers who spout the "your rights stop where mine begin" type sayings. Then they fight to pass a law that changes private establishments.

It's not a government building. They aren't there to take care of you.

If you hated the type of food a restaurant were serving, would you eat there? I know what you'll say, "but it's a health hazard!!" It's only a health hazard to you if you ACTIVELY/VOLUNTARILY walk through the doors. They aren't there to specifically cater to you. Deal with it.

The drunk driving argument bothers me too. The smoke inside the bar is contained inside the bar. If you go into another restaurant 2 miles away, the smoke in the bar isn't bothering you. The smoke is always in the same spot, you know where it is, you know how to avoid it (hint: don't go there). The drunk behind the wheel however, he could be anywhere. He's on your street tonight, tomorrow it might be mine. Yea, he's a safety hazard that can't be controlled, let's work together and get him off the road. These are 2 completely different issues, it's absolutely black and white.

All that being said, I hate cigarette smoke. I'm allergic too it. Makes my eyes water and I get congested. I didn't know it at the time, but my wife was a smoker when we were dating. I've told her many a time, if I had known she was a smoker, I would have dumped her. She knows it's true.
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Old 05-14-2009, 05:20 PM   #110
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Yay For Socialism!!!!

 
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