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Old 05-10-2009, 06:29 PM   #1
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Default Subbing Pale and What To Simulate MO?

I love MO, but hate the double cost. What could be added to Pale malt to simulate that MO taste?


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Old 05-10-2009, 08:46 PM   #2
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a touch of biscuit/victory and a smaller touch of crystal 10 or something? just a guess.


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Old 05-10-2009, 09:43 PM   #3
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Is Maris Otter that dear over there?

It was the cheapest malt when I bought a bulk sack online recently. Did a MO/Kent Goldings smash which frankly tastes like beer should. Could this be the one thing cheaper in the UK than the US?

Out of interest, what do US brewers tend to use for their basic malt?
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US 2-row. just the american version of maris otter.
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I was wondering if this could be done too, but I don't see how. The whole point of MO is the basic maltiness. So for a base malt, to make American 2-row more malty, you wold have to add something like, well....MO!?
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5% Victory malt will do OK. But M.O. is better. If you buy in bulk it isn't that expensive.
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There are NA-origin Pale Ale malts which are designed to emulate Maris Otter, though they can't ever be exact.

Briess (Pale Ale), Canada Malting/Great Western (Pale Ale), and Gambrinus (ESB Pale) all malt a high-kiln 2-row which, though malted from domestic barley varieties, get awfully close to the classic Maris Otter flavor profile. All of these are available from homebrewing suppliers, though you may have to ask around.

While I can't speak to actual results, having never used them, the analyses look uniformly suitable.

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$38/50#Briess Pale vs. $61.50/55# MO. I ONLY buy in bulk.

NQ3X: I don't find Briess ANYTHING like MO.

danlad: We get corny's cheap, you get MO cheap.

snailsongs: Thank-you. My guess was victory, and/or special roast, But I hadn't considered a baby crystal.

I thought there would be more direct input from HBT; I always ask the things that no one seems to know.
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I've tried other malts but nothing quite has that MO taste but MO. I just buy the stuff in bulk to cut the cost somewhat.
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Henry,
You're welcome. Personally, I would probably not use the crystal part, or just a literal pinch of it.....unless of course the recipe calls for crystal!
Also, I wouldn't blow off NQ3X's response - I've found that he tends to know his stuff. I think he's talking about malts that are specifically called "pale malt" or "pale ale malt" and not the breiss 2-row malt. Pale malt and 2-row are two different things, and I used to get confused about this myself. Now I'm curious about trying those that he mentioned just to compare.

...but to directly answer your question: yes, I would simply add some victory or biscuit to your two row.


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