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Old 05-05-2009, 10:55 PM   #1
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Default Pliny the Younger clone

Ok, so here I am talking with some people and after brewing my Pliny the Middle Child, I want to make Pliny the Younger. It is one of those things that I really liked and figure that I might as well get the consensus here from other people.

First thing that I really want to get out there is that if you have tried it then you know what it tastes like and realize that it isn't bitter really. I am thinking that it will be and Imperial Imperial IPA (as I stated in another post for Pliny the Bastid). However, I am not aiming for 300 IBU like many others are aiming for. I guess, that I am really going for an IPA hop style, but then Dry Hop the SH*T out of it to try and acheive the aromatic quality that is found in the Younger.

Lastly before the recipe is that it is so light in color (between 5-7 SRM I think) I almost can't figure out how to get there and that is part of the assistance I am looking for.

Pliny the Younger Clone

OG 1.115 / FG 1.030 / IBU 61 / SRM 7 / ALCOHOL 12%

11 gallon batch
13 gallon boil

40 lbs American Two Row
5 lbs Rye
3 lbs Victory
2 lbs Corn Sugar

2oz Chinook @ 60 min
2oz Centennial @ 60 min
2oz Cascade @ 10 min *Edit - Deleting this addition*
2oz Cascade @ 5 min
1oz Simcoe @ 0 min *Edit - add this addition*

4oz Centennial @ DH for 9 days
4oz Cascade @ DH for 9 days
2oz Columbus @ DH for 9 days
1oz Simcoe @ DH for 9 days *Edit - add this addition*

US-05 Yeast or some 002 that I have

Mash around 148* for 90 minutes, boil 60 minutes and ferment at 65* for a week and then at 75* for three more weeks prior to starting the dry hopping.


This should then be able to be racked, chilled and then aged for a month prior to tapping.

I am not sure if the Columbus belongs there or not. I could back off of the base malt and up the sugar, or just back off of the base malt.

Because I like thinking about this stuff I figure it is going to cost about $50 for the hops, and another $75 for the grain, making this about $1.60 a pint. Not too shabby when you think that the Younger is running around $5 at the pub in Feb. and $36 for a half gallon. So I am sitting around 20% retail price.

Get my fix in the summer months.

Now what are the thoughts of those out there? Especially those who have had it?


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Old 05-06-2009, 12:01 AM   #2
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I haven't tried it PtY just PtE, but I think if you are looking to get a lot of hop aroma and flavor you should focus on your hop boil schedule.
EG: Get the majority of your IBUs with a decent addition at FWH, and then throw in a huge hop addition at 15 minutes and also flameout. Adjust your bittering hops down until you get to your desired IBU and finishing it off with a generous dryhop would probably give the kind of effect you'll get out of PtY.
You are also probably going to want to drop the Rye and Victory as both PtE and PtY have very little malt flavor going on. Maybe a little bit of crystal 10, but again these beers are practically solely focused on hops with as little malt flavor as possible.
You might want to drop the cascade and opt for something stronger like Simcoe.

I am contemplating a similar brew after having Lagunitas Hop Stoopid, which has low perceivable bitterness, almost no malt character, but a huge wonderful hop aroma / flavor that probably comes from 85%+ of the hops (in this specific case extract) going in near the end of the boil.

Additionally, check out Mike McDoles IIPA recipe, its a tweaked PtE clone that is more like PtY, and is improved over PtE significantly IMO.


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Old 05-06-2009, 06:23 PM   #3
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Thanks for that input, many good points were mentioned. Since the Elder and Younger are such different beasts, you have to look at them differently. Different color, different malt profile and different hopping style.

With this being so large in finishing gravity and malt profile, I think that adding the crystal would make it a little bit too sweet and caramel like. The malty I like, sweet not so much. I am debating the Crystal addition still, but might be open to it.

I like McDoles process, but I think that the recipe can go a little bit differently. Especially the total IBU's in the beer.
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Google The Mad Fermentationist Pliny clone, he's got a great website and did a clone of this beer. Email him and ask questions, he's a really nice helpful guy.
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I might email him to see what he thinks about it.

I have read other peoples recipes out on the good old interweb and did a bunch of research. That Mad Fermentationist recipe still has too much hop bitterness for what I think is in that beer.

After seeing all of the variety of recipes out there, I have come to the conclusion that the grain seems to be pale malt, carapils, crystal and sugar. On that note, I don't know what they are basing the recipe off. When having the Elder next to the Younger they are different in color first off and in smell next. I think that the other recipes are trying to just clone the Elder and then make it really high alcohol and call it the Younger.

I think that it could rework to be:

40lbs Pale Malt
2lbs Victory
1lb Crystal 20L
3lbs Corn Sugar

What about the hopping Schedule?
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Well from what I've heard the malt selection for PtY is the same as PtE, there is just more so the SRM will be higher. Having never had PtY much less a side by side w/PtE I couldn't say.
I've heard comments from Vinnie that PtY is much more bitter than PtE, and many people say 300+ IBU is what it is.
You really HAVE to use simcoe and amarillo. There is no substituting for simcoe, its responsible for that wonderful nose found on PtE.
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Email Vinny, he gave me the recipe for Redemption. I'm guessing he'd do the same for Younger.
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I just sent an email over and will come back with any answer I get.
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Check out thebrewingnetwork.com podcasts. THere are about 3 episodes of the Sunday Show where Vinnie is the guest. You can fast-forward past the jibberish and get some really great info from the Vinnie interview. I think he does a whole episode devoted to hopping, if I recall. A lot of valuable information there.
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deffinetly check that podcast you will get great info. On that podcast he says that they use hop extract on the younger due to the huge wort loss from using that many hops in the boil kettle.


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