Gas and Temperature Control for Dummies - Page 15 - Home Brew Forums
Register Now For Free!

Home Brew Forums > Home Brewing Beer > DIY Projects > Brew Stands > Gas and Temperature Control for Dummies

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 08-09-2012, 03:42 PM   #141
rmaloney86
 
rmaloney86's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Jun 2012
Milford, Delaware
Posts: 98
Liked 8 Times on 7 Posts


Quote:
Originally Posted by Sawdustguy View Post
This is my second thread designed to help those who may be building a new brewery. I was asked some of these questions recently and decided it would be handy information to have documented on the forum. Again, before I get flamed, I am not insinuating anyone reading this forum or post is a dummy.

The system below utilizes a Honeywell Y8610U intermittent pilot propane or natural gas valve kit (Intermittent Pilot Retrofit Kit). I feel this method may be a touch safer than the Brutus 10 method because there is no concearn over your pilot blowing out.

The Y8610U includes the following features:

Y8610U kits can be used with either natural or LP gas.

Y8610U provides a 90 second maximum ignition trial, shuts off, waits six minutes nominal, then reinitiates the pilot ignition sequence. The ignition trial, shutoff, and wait cycle repeat until the pilot lights or the call for heat ends.

Y8610U kits can be used with either natural or LP gas; it provides timed trial for ignition and 100 percent pilot shutoff on loss of flame.

Each Y8610U kit includes:

S8610U Intermittent Pilot Module.
VR8304M Dual Valve Combination Gas Control.
392431 Igniter-Sensor* (Not used for this Application you will need to purchase a Q345A1313. See Below).
394800-30 Ignition Cable.
393691 Natural to LP Gas Conversion Kit.
Wiring Harness.
393690-14 Straight Flange Kit (3/4 in.) .
Reducer adapters for gas control.
Adhesive mounting option for S8610.
Installation hardware.

You will also need a Pilot Burner and Orifice.

Q345A1313 Pilot Burner/Sensor Assembly.
390868-1 0.010" Orifice for Q345A1313.


The diagram below describes a low pressure propane system designed to control the temperature of a HLT. It can be used to control the temperature of any of the three vessels in your brewery. IMPORTANT: This system is designed for low pressure propane or Natural Gas. If using Propane, please make sure your propane regulator is set for 11 WC or less than 0.5 lbs pressure. Please make sure you read and understand the instructions accompanying the Y8610U kit from Honeywell before proceding. The information presented in this post can be found in that document also.

The Y8610U can be purchased from Patriot Supply. Their Ebay Store is (Patriot Supply Ebay Store).

The SYL4352 and Thermocouple can be purchased from Auber Instruments. Their URL is (Auber Instruments Website).

Ok so after being on the phone with Auber for awhile I'm returning my SLY-4352 as listed above, the 4352 is for use with SSR control and will not work as configured above, According to auber I needed the SLY-4342 for relay. The 4352 works great when you are using a SSR for something like controlling a RIMS tube...

One of you smarter guys can probably prove me wrong on this I just thought I would put it out there so some guys aren't in the same boat as I am with this.

 
Reply With Quote
Old 08-11-2012, 08:42 PM   #142
rmaloney86
 
rmaloney86's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Jun 2012
Milford, Delaware
Posts: 98
Liked 8 Times on 7 Posts


Got the new PID as soon as I wired in the SLY-4342 everthing worked perfect. Thanks for all the help everyone!

 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2012, 02:17 AM   #143
BlackTieBrewing
Recipes 
 
Nov 2008
Ontario, Canada
Posts: 145
Liked 2 Times on 2 Posts


Reviving an old thread, where are you guys getting your 24VAC power supplies? I ordered one only to find out the seller listed it incorrectly and was actually DC, now I'm having a hell of a time on ebay trying to find either a new power supply or something to convert the DC back to AC

 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2012, 02:24 AM   #144
jfrizzell
 
jfrizzell's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Jun 2007
Iowa
Posts: 686
Liked 12 Times on 10 Posts


Don't worry about converting DC back to AC. That's a lost cause. What you want is a 120V/24V transformer, not a power supply. How many valves are you trying to power with the transformer? That will dictate how large of a transformer you need.
__________________
Primary: Pliney the Elder Clone
Kegged: Tank 7 / Saison Brett

http://untappd.com/abbayeduchatnoir

 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2012, 02:35 AM   #145
BlackTieBrewing
Recipes 
 
Nov 2008
Ontario, Canada
Posts: 145
Liked 2 Times on 2 Posts


2 valves

 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2012, 04:39 AM   #146
jfrizzell
 
jfrizzell's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Jun 2007
Iowa
Posts: 686
Liked 12 Times on 10 Posts


Transformers are sized in VA (volt amps).

Most of the Honeywell valves draw 0.5A. So, two valves would draw 1A. 1A x 24V = 24VA. However, you will want a transformer a bit larger than 24 VA to cover inrush currents when the valves turn on.

A transformer like this should cover you, but I recommend you confirm the amp draw on your valves.
http://www.pexsupply.com/Rheem-46-25...ormer-120V-24V
__________________
Primary: Pliney the Elder Clone
Kegged: Tank 7 / Saison Brett

http://untappd.com/abbayeduchatnoir

 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2012, 09:20 AM   #147
rmaloney86
 
rmaloney86's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Jun 2012
Milford, Delaware
Posts: 98
Liked 8 Times on 7 Posts


Thats the exact one I got, it works great.

 
Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2013, 06:32 PM   #148
Yavid
Recipes 
 
Feb 2009
Regina, Saskatchewan
Posts: 136
Liked 2 Times on 2 Posts


Can someone please confirm that the SYL4352 PID is the correct one for this application and NOT the SYL4342? I ordered two SYL2352 (same as the 4352, just smaller) and now I'm worried they're the wrong ones. Want to make sure before I try wiring anything.

This is the one I ordered: http://www.auberins.com/index.php?ma...&products_id=3

 
Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2013, 07:47 PM   #149
fc36
Recipes 
 
May 2010
Chicago, Illinois
Posts: 365
Liked 24 Times on 19 Posts


Quote:
Originally Posted by Yavid View Post
Can someone please confirm that the SLY-4342 PID is the correct one for this application and NOT the SLY-4252? I ordered two SLY-2252 (same as the 4252, just smaller) and now I'm worried they're the wrong ones. Want to make sure before I try wiring anything.
I don't see either the 2252 or the 4252 listed on Auberins' website or anywhere in a google search. I am a chemical engineer who works with CEMS equipment and I have a lot of experience with PIDs and control signaling. Are you sure that's the model number you bought because I am unable to find any reference to help you. Either PM me with a manual or a link to the manual and I could help. If not, check the model number again and make sure to list the correct one that you purchased.

Thanks

 
Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2013, 08:07 PM   #150
Yavid
Recipes 
 
Feb 2009
Regina, Saskatchewan
Posts: 136
Liked 2 Times on 2 Posts


I made a typo in the part numbers. Please see the corrected post above.

 
Reply With Quote
Reply
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Temperature Control jgbrown Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 3 09-30-2009 05:45 AM
Temperature Control Prime Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 2 08-01-2009 04:37 AM
Temperature Control Arrogantbastard Equipment/Sanitation 7 01-16-2009 07:11 PM
Temperature Control? Archer Troy Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 2 06-01-2007 05:05 PM
Temperature Control Boba Fett Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 2 09-15-2006 11:56 AM


Forum Jump