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Old 04-09-2009, 11:27 PM   #1
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Default Austin Homebrew Rogue Imperial IPA clone not an Imperial IPA?

I was going to brew a batch of this IIPA this weekend but as it turns out it's not an Imperial IPA. It's even a little light in the SRM department to be considered an American IPA.



15 lbs of American 2-Row (the site says 16 but they only gave me 15)
1 oz Newport 60 min
1 oz Cascade 30 min
1 oz Sterling 15 min
1 oz Amarillo Dryhop

According to Beertools.com:
OG: 1.070
FG: 1.013
SRM: 5.14
IBU: 53.4
ABV: 7.5

Anybody else notice this?


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Something looks off. I just checked out the site. Like you stated, the site says the kit comes with 16 lbs of grain. By the looks of the mini mash, you should have around a pound of another grain. Maybe some crystal or munich. I can't imagine an IIPA with just 2-row.

As to your calculations, do you have it set for 5 gal? I just plugged 15 lbs of 2 row into Beersmith and got an estimated OG of 1.082.

AHS has excellent customer service. I'd PM or email Forrest and see if there was a mishap.


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When I run those numbers, I get about 1.078 (my efficiency is set at 70% but I usually get a bit higher) and 64.5 IBUs. Definitely in the IIPA range to me.

I guessed at the AAUs of the Newport hops at 14%- I know they are usually pretty high. If yours are lower, the IBUs would be lower, of course.
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From Rogue


6 Ingredients:

Malts: Two-row Pipkin Pale.

Hops: Saaz, Cascade & Northwest Golding.

Yeast & Water: Rogue's Pacman Yeast & Free Range Coastal Water.
Specs:

20 PLATO

74 IBU

75 AA

13 Lovibond


World Class Package:

Draft, 750ml Ceramic
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Here's what I plugged in. I changed the IBUS in the Newport to 14 and it brought it up to 71.1. Not bad. But I'm still getting an OG of 1.070

Category India Pale Ale (IPA)
Subcategory Imperial IPA
Recipe Type All Grain
Batch Size 5.25 gal.
Volume Boiled 6.25 gal.
Mash Efficiency 70 %
Total Grain/Extract 15.00 lbs.
Total Hops 3.0 oz.
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Here's what I plugged in. I changed the IBUS in the Newport to 14 and it brought it up to 71.1. Not bad. But I'm still getting an OG of 1.070
Yeah, maybe if you're doing a 5.25 gallon batch and your efficiency is 70%. Mine is a little higher. If your efficiency is 70%, you may want to make a 5 gallon batch if getting the OG up some is important to you.
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Something looks off. I just checked out the site. Like you stated, the site says the kit comes with 16 lbs of grain. By the looks of the mini mash, you should have around a pound of another grain. Maybe some crystal or munich. I can't imagine an IIPA with just 2-row.

As to your calculations, do you have it set for 5 gal? I just plugged 15 lbs of 2 row into Beersmith and got an estimated OG of 1.082.

AHS has excellent customer service. I'd PM or email Forrest and see if there was a mishap.
Most beers are made entirely from 2-row barley.

The type in IIPA happens to be an English pale ale malt. I assume AHS is using a domestic type.

The hops are wrong, and not enough.
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Yea...I know what beer is made of. Read what I wrote. I just haven't seen too many IPA's or IIPA's made of ENTIRELY 2 row.
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Yea...I know what beer is made of. Read what I wrote. I just haven't seen too many IPA's or IIPA's made of ENTIRELY 2 row.
FWIW, DFH 90 min is 100% 2-row.
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Looks ok, though I'd ask them to send you the extra pound of malt.

Clone recipes are hit and miss - there are too many process and system-specific variables to guarantee that a homebrewed recipe will taste like the commercial version. I prefer to start from a good base recipe and then tweak it over several brews until I achieve what I set out to.


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