I just checked my russian stout and the gravity is at 20 which is two points lower then it was four days ago, i guess it wasn't quite done fermenting. It also still has a tart taste to it, but the after taste wasn't so bad. I guess I'll be waiting a few more weeks before I can bottle, and probably a few months before I can drink it.
My Irish stout that I bottled 4 weeks ago isn't ready yet either, how do you guys manage to be so patient? Maybe I'll try brewing something lighter that won't take so long to condition I'm thinking maybe a wheat ale.
Anyways thanks for the advice I guess I should forget about these beers for right now and start thinking about my next brew.