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Old 03-25-2009, 04:23 PM   #1
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I'm trying to clone this beer (Widow Maker Black Ale) one of my favorites, is made by Keweenaw Brewing Co., which is up in Houghton, Mi. The UP! I contacted the micro-brew and he gave me this---95% pale, 2% black, 3% chocolate ~1.75lbs/gal malt ~.25oz/gal hops. Since I'm fairly new to homebrewing, and only doing extract, I was wondering if someone could put this into a recipe I could follow and order up! Here is the brewers description of the beer! Widow Maker Black Ale

Don't let its looks deceive you. Though it may resemble a porter or a stout, this is a light bodied ale with a pleasant hint of molasses. Don't be afraid of the dark.

 
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Old 03-25-2009, 05:27 PM   #2
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I have never tried, nor heard of this beer before. So we're going to need some more info before we can give this clone the ol' college try. What variety of hops are used, whats the starting and final gravities (or at least ABV%), and what style of yeast is used?

In order to properly utilize the chocolate and black malts, you are going to have to do a partial mash for this beer. When I started brewing, I did my second batch as a partial and while I was COMPLETELY confused and nervous, the quality paid off immediately. Really once you get your equipment sorted out going partial or even AG is very easy.

See if you can get some more info then I'll try to whip up a recipe. As for the yeast, if the beer is bottle conditioned, you can culture yeast from a couple of bottles, and the right yeast goes a long way in making a good clone.
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Old 03-25-2009, 05:30 PM   #3
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Well first off it will be tougher with extract to fully clone this beer. That being said i would do this.

4# light LME
2# light DME
10oz chocolate
8oz black pattent

I'm not sure about the yeast. I usually like US-5
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Old 03-25-2009, 05:31 PM   #4
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whoops yea you need to partial mash or those grains won't give you anything. It's been a while since extract.
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Old 03-25-2009, 05:36 PM   #5
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Black patent doesn't need to be mashed and you'll get all of the color and flavor from the chocolate just by steeping it.
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Old 03-25-2009, 05:49 PM   #6
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Well the brewer did not give many details, like the type of hops or yeast, or gravitys. I'm not set up to mash yet, was wondering if it could be matched somewhat with extract! And where would the hint of molasses flovor come from? The chocolate!

 
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Old 08-27-2010, 01:38 AM   #7
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I worked at the KBC while in college and have brewed both theirs and my own recipes on their system. I can't just give you the exact recipe, but I'm willing to help. Are you still interested in brewing this one?

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Old 08-28-2010, 06:10 PM   #8
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Not sure if mudpuppy is interested, but I had two of these from a tap last night and it was just what I like. It lets the malt shine without being sweet or having the hops overpower the malt.

It reminded me of what I got when I made this:
http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f67/session-mild-e-51884/

But, with a little smoke and molasses flavor and considerably darker.

5 # Light DME
8 oz Crystal 60L
6 oz Chocolate
6 oz Molasses (never used it before so I just guessed on the amount)
4 oz Briess Special Roast
4 oz Black Patent
4 oz Smoked Malt

1.5 oz Cascade 60 Min or some other low AA hop.

I don't normally create recipes so I could be way off, but this is near to the correct ABV and what I thought the SRM was on the Widowmaker.

 
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Old 08-28-2010, 06:15 PM   #9
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Not sure if mudpuppy is interested, but I had two of these from a tap last night and it was just what I like. It lets the malt shine without being sweet or having the hops overpower the malt.

It reminded me of what I got when I made this:
http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f67/session-mild-e-51884/

But, with a little smoke and molasses flavor and considerably darker.

5 # Light DME
8 oz Crystal 60L
6 oz Chocolate
6 oz Molasses (never used it before so I just guessed on the amount)
4 oz Briess Special Roast
4 oz Black Patent
4 oz Smoked Malt

1.5 oz Cascade 60 Min or some other low AA hop.

I don't normally create recipes so I could be way off, but this is near to the correct ABV and what I thought the SRM was on the Widowmaker.
I can tell you right now that this won't be like the Widowmaker, but it does look like a good beer. It would be more like a Porter than anything else I'd say.

Lose the molasses and caramel malt, along with the smoked malt, and you'd be closer to the Widowmaker. Also, either use half the choc or lose it altogether. I also don't think you'll need both special roast and black patent together. But, like I said, what you've got looks like a good recipe, just not emulating the Widowmaker.

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Old 08-28-2010, 06:57 PM   #10
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Ok I need to learn how to read. I revisited the first post and did the math.

1.75 x 5 Gal = 8.75# grain bill
8.75# x .95 = 8.3125# Pale 2 Row x .6 (.75 for pale LME) = 4.9875# Light DME I will call it 5#
8.75# x .03 = 4.2 oz Chocolate
8.75# x .02 = 2.8 oz Black

2 oz of Willamette (4.7 AA) @ 60 min puts Hopville's recipe calculator right in the middle of the bitterness scale, but I would probably use 1.5 oz of it for 60. But, hops aren't my favorite part of beer so I aim to undershoot.

I think a pack of Nottingham would work well and drops nice and bright.

Hopville also puts the ABV at 4.7 which is below the 5.2 claimed for Widowmaker at RateBeer

Let me know if this sounds about right.

 
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