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Old 03-21-2009, 11:57 AM   #1
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2 questions:

Any disadvantage to building so that the collar comes up with the lid? I can think of some advantages to it, but no real negatives (as long as the hinges are sound)

Why doesn't anyone insulate the collar?


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Old 03-21-2009, 12:20 PM   #2
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You will have to make sure your hinges can handle the extra weight of the collar for sure. You might also want to thik about using a prop stick to hold it open because of the extra weight.

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Old 03-21-2009, 01:56 PM   #3
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+1 on collar on the lid, and the prop stick.

Insulating the collar is kind of preference- Cold air sinks, so you shouldn't loose much without a lot of insulation on the top as long as the lid seals correctly and your collar is sealed at the seams. Some hard woods do a better job at insulating rather then lighter wood, do to the lighter woods poris nature. Insulating it won't hurt, just not always necessary.
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Old 03-21-2009, 02:51 PM   #4
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i did mine to the lid and cant be happier. It is easier to add and remove kegs as the tubing and shanks are not in the way and the hinges of my magic checf hold a 6" collar perfectly fine. I would be willing to bet they would hold a 12 to be honest.

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Old 03-21-2009, 03:10 PM   #5
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Yes, you can attach to the top.

I insulated my collar by injecting foam between the inner and outer walls:

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Old 03-21-2009, 05:43 PM   #6
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I used 2x6 PVC fence material for my collar. It's hollow, with two ribs in the middle, so I cut strips of extruded polystyrene insulation and shoved it inside.

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Old 03-21-2009, 06:13 PM   #7
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Cool. Thanks for the input and pics. Makes sense that most of the cold air will be below, but will probably insulate in some form or fashion for peace of mind. I esp like the double wall idea....seems like it'd work well for insulating as well as supporting long tap shanks.
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Old 03-21-2009, 07:05 PM   #8
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I am in the process of building a keezer and attaching the collar to the lid. The stock hinge spring holds the lid up fine for now with my 1x6 wood attached. I don't know how muchof a difference three shanks and faucets will make, but it seems like it has plenty of more strength to hold up on its own.

As to the insulation question I haven't added any to the inside of mine yet, but if it seems like it is losing a signifigant amount of cold air because it isn't insulated, I will add some.

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Old 03-21-2009, 08:11 PM   #9
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Once you add a fan to keep the air circulating and keep it from wide temp swings the cold won't always be at the bottom. On the other hand mine is not insulated and I dont loose any cold except what is transferred through the shanks and faucets.
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