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Old 02-25-2009, 04:05 AM   #1
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Well, I am about to pop my extract brewing cherry. I started off with Coopers kit's and perfected those pretty fast. I have had some friends try my beers and they have offered to buy beer off me if I can make a typical North American beer like budweiser/labatt blue clone.

First I have some questions, I have looked into extract brewing, maybe buying a kit for my first one. From all the video's I've seen on youtube, you steep grains, then add the ingredients during your boil. Now, on all the Budweiser clones that I look at on the Internet, none of them say anything about steeping grains, all of the ingredients include just malt extract, rice power etc, are there no grains for doing a bud clone?

Sorry if this sounds stupid, I just like to do all my research before I dive into this. I am kind of a perfectionist when it comes to learning I have to know everything before I attempt a process or I get confused.


The great thing about this, I live in the same city as the Labatt brewery in Canada, in fact we use the same water source. I am going to go on a brewery tour and maybe ask some questions to how they treat the water, like if they de-chlorinate or what, maybe I can get the same water taste!

Thanks for the help!
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Old 02-25-2009, 04:09 AM   #2
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That's probably more of an indictment on Bud that you don't need to steep grains to clone it. I'd tell my friends to save their money and buy the real thing and leave you to brewing quality beers.
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Old 02-25-2009, 04:14 AM   #3
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That's probably more of an indictment on Bud that you don't need to steep grains to clone it. I'd tell my friends to save their money and buy the real thing and leave you to brewing quality beers.
What grains would you steep to clone Westmalle, or should we indict them as well?

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Old 02-25-2009, 04:14 AM   #4
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Seriously....

Take a bottle...pee in it...cap it and hand it back to them.


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Old 02-25-2009, 04:17 AM   #5
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Seriously....

Take a bottle...pee in it...cap it and hand it back to them.


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NO, NO, NO...you have it ALL WRONG!!!

Drink a bottle of HB THEN pee in the bottle and hand it back to them...
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Old 02-25-2009, 04:28 AM   #6
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Hey I wasn't saying that I was a big fan of it!

But since I'm laid off I've been going crazy and I have a 25 gallon tank just sitting there empty, If I can make them happy by saving a few bucks, and put a few bucks in my pocket by saving money, I'd be pretty satisfied!
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Old 02-25-2009, 04:47 AM   #7
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Seriously....

Take a bottle...pee in it...cap it and hand it back to them.


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Don't waste your time and resources capping it. Just hand it to them opened and still warm. They will appreciate the similarities much more.

Don't get me wrong here. I enjoy a cheap Natty Light as much as the next guy when I'm out working in the yard or garage. It's beer and it slugs down easy with little effort or money involved. But why, oh why, would one want to purposefully go to all of the effort and, sometimes risk, of making a homebrewed beer, only to have it come out like Bud, or Miller, or Coors? If that's the type of beer you want, and like I said "nothing wrong with that at all", why not just run down to the local convenience store or grocery story and pick up a 12 pack or case? No risk of botched beer, no preparation, no clean up, throw the empties in the big green can when you are through, and presto! You're done. You hide half of the empties so that SWMBAAC (she who must be avoded at all costs can't keep up with consumption and start the regular routine all over again.

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Old 02-25-2009, 04:48 AM   #8
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Steeping grains generally add color and character to beer.

Most north american lagers are light on color and flavor and hops. Nothing wrong with a lighter beer, but it's also one of the hardest beers for a beginner to try to clone. Any off flavor will stand out in such a light beer, and you're also probably going to have trouble maintaining steady lagering temps for extended periods. You're also probably going to have to deal with liquid yeasts & learning how to make a healthy starter.

Most homebrewers will tell you to aim higher and brew a more full & robust beer. You'll have more flavor & a better chance of success.

I'd suggest a tried & true blonde ale - light in color - but more of a medium flavor with character. Check out the recipe section for something like Biermuncher's Centennial Blonde.

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Old 02-25-2009, 04:58 AM   #9
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Skip the Bud clones (lagers) and do a Blond Ale or a California Common. Still get the light easy drinking beer without the hassle of a lager.

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Old 02-25-2009, 05:31 AM   #10
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If they are really, really insistent that they want it to be ****ty, there's this: American Lite - Extract | MoreBeer

If you want to try and trick them into drinking something that is flavorless instead of having a metallic/sour aftertaste (quite an upgrade if you ask me), try this: Light Ale-Extract | MoreBeer

I see either as kind of a waste to brew though.
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