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Old 02-09-2009, 03:33 PM   #1
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the last 3 batches I brewed outside for the first time. And the last 3 batches that where sitting for 3 months, got infected !! The ONLY difference between any procedures outside, and inside where using the garden hose !

what do you guys think could have caused the infection ? Could it be the outside wind blowing little contaminants into my primary ? or that the garden hose itsself is quite dirty, and hense the water I used had micro bacteria in it and whatnot ??

I have done maybee 10 batches, these past 3 where the only ones I have EVER had trouble with

I think I'm back to brewing inside when noone else is home !


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Old 02-09-2009, 03:38 PM   #2
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The only way your garden hose could've introduced an infection is if you used it to add water to the cooled wort in the primary. I brew exclusively in the back yard and use the water hose, but NEVER after chilling the wort. Did you use it to top off your primary?


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Old 02-09-2009, 03:38 PM   #3
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First you really shouldn't use a garden hose for potable water. Garden hoses are not made of food-grade material(s) and can leach chemicals into the water. If you need to use a hose, buy an RV water hose (typically white).

Second, if you're topping up with water, you should boil/cool it first to kill any microbes that could cause contamination. Some use it right from the faucet and get away with it, but I wouldn't. Water from your faucet still contains microbes and it's not worth the risk of losing a whole batch of beer.
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Old 02-09-2009, 03:46 PM   #4
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no I did not top it off. I filled the primary directly with water from the hose, then poured my boiling wert right into the primary. I put the cap on, and shook the crap out of it for a good minute. Took the cap off, pictched the yeast and the put the cap back on. I filled my airlock with vodka and stuck it in there....DONE.

Everything had been thoroughly scrubbed & soaked with B-brite for a good 5 minutes, then rinsed. This is the same procedure that I use inside. But I had never had an infection prior to brewing outside...
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Old 02-09-2009, 03:47 PM   #5
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Garden hoses are rather well known for harboring bacteria as well as not being food safe. If you are using water straight from a regular garden hose I would say it's a good chance that the hose is the reason your beer is not what it should be.
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no I did not top it off. I filled the primary directly with water from the hose, then poured my boiling wert right into the primary.
Isn't that essentially the same thing as topping it off, only "bottoming it off"... or am I missing something?
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Old 02-09-2009, 03:53 PM   #7
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Isn't that essentially the same thing as topping it off, only "bottoming it off"... or am I missing something?
then how the hell am I supposed to do it ??
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then how the hell am I supposed to do it ??
Boil water first to sanitize, then cool to the same temp as the wort. Use this cooled water to achieve your desired batch size.
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Old 02-09-2009, 03:57 PM   #9
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Boil water first to sanitize, then cool to the same temp as the wort. Use this cooled water to achieve your desired batch size.
even when doing extract kits ??
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Problem 1
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I filled the primary directly with water from the hose
Introduction of unwanted microbes and lead from garden hose. Use boiled and cooled water (preferred) or bottles water (many people do this).

Problem 2
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then poured my boiling wert right into the primary
You run the risk of thermal shock here if you use this method on a glass carboy which may cause it to crack or break spectacularly. If using plastic, you run the risk of melting or weakening. In any case the mixture of room temp water and boiling wort will still leave you on the higher end of desireable pitching temps. Read: Weak yeast = off flavor.

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Everything had been thoroughly scrubbed & soaked with B-brite for a good 5 minutes
B-Brite is a cleaner and not a sanitizer. You may not have killed potential bacteria. Use B-Brite for cleaning and a good no-rinse sanitizer for sanitization like Star-san (preferred) or Iodophor.

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then rinsed.
Potential re-introduction of bacteria. See above.


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