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Old 06-17-2006, 04:09 PM   #51
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Be careful, Dude. It might be worth looking for another vet.
I agree, there's no need for that at all. You have to be able to trust your vet. If the vet is trying to goad you into doing a very expensive procedure, how confident do you feel that the procedure is 100% necessary? I'm not saying that it isn't, but the play on your guilt - if movitate by the vet's wallet - may tell you something about how objective their advice truly is.

There's enough really good, understanding vets out there where I would bring him in for a second opinion. Ease your mind.

We've been lucky with our vets, they've all been people we trust. The one in our last town sent us a sympathy card after our cat passed away, with a very sincere (or at least sincere-sounding) note. I thought it was a very classy thing for them to do, not sure if that's SOP.


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Old 06-18-2006, 04:28 PM   #52
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I swear sometimes vets PISS ME OFF. They charge outrageous amounts for their services; and sometimes the equivalent human procedure costs the same or less after Ins companies do their usual & customary. My wife years ago slammed the front door shut while our cat was between the screen & inner door. Cat tried to get out and was just a bit slow. She nipped 4-5" of the tail. Bla, bla, cry, cry she takes the cat to the vet. Calls me and it's $450 to cut it clean and sew it up. I started in on the phone to bring her home and I'd do it myself with a knife, thread and styptic pencil . She hung up on me and had it done. I don't think my friggen vasectomy was much more than that.
Well i can see you have absolutly no idea of what you are talking about. Tell me what medical procedure you can get on youself that is cheeper than the same procedure on an animal! Insurance doesn't factor in to it. What about people who don't have medical insurance, have you even looked at you bill from any of your doctors to see what amount the insurance company paid. You will be shocked at how much human doctors charge.

Vet. medicine does not charge outragous amounts of money. How much do you think it cost the doctor to go through school? Do you have any idea what surgical equipment costs? Veternarians have to pay the near the same ridicously high prices on medications and medical supplies that human practicioners do.

You got a vasectomy for $450? There is no way it was $450. Unless of course you went south of the border and had some nut job, no pun intended, do the work with kitchen gloves and a steak knife.
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No but she may have slid the Dr some $ to make sure I got an infection from the procedure .
You are proving my point for me.

Now my rant is over. No offense to any one. Oh by the way can you guess what i do for a living?


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Old 06-18-2006, 04:54 PM   #53
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Wild dogs eat birds with no problem If your dog isn't choking, she'll pass it in due time. My little shih-tzu can gobble down a t-bone and poop it out without problems, so your monsters shouldn't be worried about a little chicken bone.
Stop feeding your dog cow bones! It will catch up to you. Are you familliar with eating a dorito and you dont chew it right and it scrapes you all the way down? Now imagine the sharp t bone fragments travilling through you dogs bowels and emerging from her butt. Any questions.
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Play on emotions? I have first-hand experience with this. The first week we got Chance (right when we started bonding with him) he got really sick. We took him to a vet that diagnosed him positive for parvo, and told us it would be at least $400 to take care of him. Of course he diagnosed positive for parvo - he just got his vaccination! I told him that but was dismissed - "our tests don't lie" The vet explained how bad parvo was and that he has only a slim chance, but we had to act immediately. We felt trapped.

I immediately called our breeder and she told us to meet at her clinic. It turned out he was just in a hypoglaucemic shock. I'm not sure if that's the right term, but it's blood sugar shortage problems - very common in small breeds. They have a hard time regulating their blood sugar levels, and he hit pretty hard. He spent the night in the kennel with an IV of glucose/sucrose. I was told to make sure he got some honey everyday to prevent the problem from happening again until he grew up. My breeder covered the overnight visit.

Be careful, Dude. It might be worth looking for another vet.
If your dog tested positive for parvo then it had parvo. It takes a while for any vaccine to affect the immune system and create an immunity. In my experiance breeders are the money grubbing morons. They all think they know what they are doing and it turns out they have no clue and they end up harming the animal. I think you got lucky and the dog had a mild infection. And by the way 400 dollars is cheap to treat Parvo.
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Old 06-18-2006, 06:45 PM   #55
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Well i can see you have absolutly no idea of what you are talking about. Tell me what medical procedure you can get on youself that is cheeper than the same procedure on an animal! Insurance doesn't factor in to it.


Let me just state that I totally respect both yours and the human medical field & the amount of commitment, education & $ it takes to get there. But from the human side of the medical field, Insurance plays a huge part of cost comparatives with human and pet fees. When you look at what the Dr charges, yes probably always higher than equivalent vet service. However what the human Dr, lab, radiologist etc actually gets paid is not always higher, often equal and sometimes much lower. My rant is officially on how the insurance industry (& corporations) have screwed the medical field up and here I have a lot of knowledge. This is kind of off topic, kind of not (sorry Dude).

Example, my dog had to have some blood tests to check for something called Coccidiomycosis (valley fever). Vet fee for the lab work was $88. My wife has to have complicated blood tests monthly (transplant patient). Total charge is $206 but the key is after the insurance puts their reasonable and customary the lab only gets $53. I got bloodwork done 4 months ago. Total charge $101, insurance says reasonable is $15 so that's all they get. This is just for labs but holds true on other diagnostic tests such as radiology, office visits et. I'm just stating what I've been charged by my vet but another:

Radiology my Dog - Exposures, Setup, STAT Interpretation: $132
Radiology human (me) chest - $280 - Insurance reasonable pd: $66

If I nipped the tip off my finger, they'd probably charge 1000+ but they'd probably get $300-$500 after the insurance said what is "usual". Major human surgery; yea is always quite a bit higher (cancer, surgery etc). I'm not saying vets over charge and doctors do charge much more but theres a reason they charge so high and it's all a game. The unlucky patients are those without medical insurance because then you do end up paying the full charge which has been inflated. This is how doctors recoup the ridiculously low payments they get from insurance companies on many services where they loose money. If I was someone interested in the medical field I'd choose vet, not because of the $ but because of the BS doctors have to go through nowadays with insurance.

Oh yea, 1996 vasectomy charge:
Hospital: 687 - Ins Pd: $417
Doctor: 513 - Ins Pd: $327
Total: $740

Fixing Sassy's tail $400 - The human doctor got less...
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Old 06-18-2006, 11:48 PM   #56
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Stop feeding your dog cow bones! It will catch up to you. Are you familliar with eating a dorito and you dont chew it right and it scrapes you all the way down? Now imagine the sharp t bone fragments travilling through you dogs bowels and emerging from her butt. Any questions.

I disagree-sort of. I was a meat cutter for quite a few years and we used to sell beef femur bones for dogs. In fact I used to give them to my dogs quite a bit. The trick is that first it's a femur bone-the hardest bone in the body- and second it is not cooked. A dog can gnaw on it for weeks and never break it up. A cooked bone is a different story, though. They are brittle and can easily be broken up. I was worried about the chicken bones that my dog ate not because it would break, but because she swallowed them whole and I was afraid they would get stuck somewhere (they didn't; she's fine ).
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You got a vasectomy for $450? There is no way it was $450. Unless of course you went south of the border and had some nut job, no pun intended, do the work with kitchen gloves and a steak knife. You are proving my point for me.

It's possible. I paid $600 for mine six years ago, and I know that was full price because insurance doesn't cover it. So if he had it done ten or fifteen years ago I would believe that number.
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Old 06-21-2006, 04:46 AM   #58
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heh...arguing and getting upset on the internet. WOW, I thought this was a relaxed forum. I grew up on a farm, and had more dogs and cats than I can count. After my last pet died in 96, I switched to fish. I know some of you may think a pet is only a dog, cat, hampster, etc....but fish ROCK!! Best pets EVER. They look great, don't destroy/piss/crap on my stuff, make NO noise, don't wake me up, never have to be walked, and if I forget to feed them on morning, they're cool about it when I get home. And I'll never have to worry about visits to the vet, or charges to have them put down.

Sure, I've had a handful croak on me...and I flushed them without thinking twice. And I wasn't depressed about it. Except for that lionfish I lost...I was pissed because he cost a lot of money compared to the other fish I have. Twice a month I clean filters, and do a monthly water chance. My fish love me. If anyone's looking for an easy maintenance pet...look into fish. Oh, and when someone tells you saltwater fish are incredibly hard to take care of, slap them and buy those fish. I started on Saltwater, and have lost fewer fish with it than my freshwater tanks.

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I once had fish. 55g tank and 5 little piranha. Feed them goldfish. If you forget to feed them that day, they eat the slowest of their kind. Eventually I had one piranha that was the size of a large bluegill. I sold the last one to the pet store but he got the last laugh as he bit through the bag on the way into the store and bit my damn finger. Evil little bugger he was.
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We have fish, but they don't really count as pets, IMHO.

The one bad experience we had with fish was when one of them died the day we were having a big get-together with the family. My nephew, probably four or so at the time, was looking at the fish and was the one to notice that one was floating on the top of the tank. We, of course, had to flush 'im (no tears shed, of course), but the conversation he had with my brother was so sad...

"Where's the fish going, Dad?"
"To fish heaven, son."


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