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Federal taxes are determined when your beer is placed in a Tax Determination Tank. Removal is when the tax determined beer leaves the tank. It doesn't matter what method is used to remove the beer from the brewery.
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Federal taxes are determined when your beer is placed in a Tax Determination Tank. Removal is when the tax determined beer leaves the tank. It doesn't matter what method is used to remove the beer from the brewery.
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I'm going to start out with a variety until I get enough feed back to any one particular style. Then I'll keep that style as a constant but still cycle through other styles just to keep it interesting.
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And my understanding is that a Tax Determination Tank is my kegs. I'll have kegs marked for record keeping and regardless of where or when the beer leaves that keg, it's taxed because it was filled. My Seller's Permit is for the shop downtown and not for the Brewery. I may get a second permit for the Brewery if I want to have a tasting room there but I'm not sure I want to deal with the traffic of people at my home just yet.
Gordie
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Hey HBHoss - Congrats! That's awesome. Hell yeah. I run my tax determination basically the same way, designating any primed keg tax determined. Remember if you sell beer to someone who's going to drink it, you're going to have to pay sales tax. The state will constantly remind you, though, so it'd be hard to really forget.
Hooray beer!
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Hooray beer!
Gordie.
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Ya, it's kinda scary now knowing this is actually happening. In an exciting sort of way, of course.
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6 X 10 cold room framing.
lucky2balive
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Most excellent! I'm up in Mariposa once a month now for guide dog training with my daughter. I'll have to stop by and we can share a couple of home/pro brews! 
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Most excellent! I'm up in Mariposa once a month now for guide dog training with my daughter. I'll have to stop by and we can share a couple of home/pro brews!
That sounds great.
would you mind listing some of the websites you used? i'm in NJ and am in the infancy of planning a possible venture. i've spent time on the ttb website but if there are any others you can share, please do!
ps, this thread is awesome, inspiring and nerve wrecking all at once
knightbeer39
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Sounds like a plan. Good luck!!
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would you mind listing some of the websites you used? i'm in NJ and am in the infancy of planning a possible venture. i've spent time on the ttb website but if there are any others you can share, please do!
ps, this thread is awesome, inspiring and nerve wrecking all at once
I would search for Microbrewery New Jersey. TTB is a good one for info and forms. Not sure who your state agency is. In California it's the ABC or Alcoholic Beverage Control. Perhaps find a state business license web site. They may have a list of the different categories.
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Front face completed. One step at a time. It would be nicer if it wasn't 98 F. outside.
i reached out to a local winery and a local brewery and they both simply said just call the abc and they will answer the questions... thanks though!
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I found the ABC and TTB very helpful and willing to answer questions.
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New pics. I decided to just use a floor paint instead of tiles or sheets of vinyl.
I installed the A/C unit in the cold room area.
I also installed a turbine vent to keep the air circulating.
I installed the A/C unit in the cold room area.
I also installed a turbine vent to keep the air circulating.
ShortSnoutBrewing
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hopefully i have the same experience
I'll back up Hoss's statement. I work with the TTB several times a month at work and always have a positive interaction with them. I've also interacted with them on a personal level.
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Good to hear I'm not the only one.
On a side note, looks like it's time to buy my Kilt. Can't be Scottish and have a brewery without having a Kilt.
smmcdermott
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as a new brewer, this is awesome to see that this can turn into something so great. Keep those pictures coming.
On a side note, looks like it's time to buy my Kilt. Can't be Scottish and have a brewery without having a Kilt.
Well said. It looks amazing! I can't wait to see how the rest of it comes out. Good luck!
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Looks like it will work.
Scut_Monkey
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There's the money shot! Way to go. Fire that bad boy up soon.
elmetal
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god that looks beautiful
What are you going to do for lighting in that bad boy? I would recommend 4' T5 fixtures. They put out a ton of light, don't burn through electricity like crazy and stay relatively cool compared to most other fixtures on the market.
elmetal
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skylights!
as for nighttime... well....
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as for nighttime... well....
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That's what I was going to setup. I have an electrician coming out tomorrow to determine my options. I was counting on splicing into the electrical in the Well pump house but the pump guy said it could hose the well pump. Don't want to do that.
I also have a water sample out getting a full test. It'll be interesting to see the results of that.
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I just may have to test it out with a simple 5 gallon extract batch. Just use the bottom burner. I haven't used this 3 tier yet.
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What size batches are you planning on doing when you officially go pro?
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so do you have to get a health/sanitation inspection to come check you out?
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This is interesting, but at 6 hours per batch and 10 gallons, figure on selling the sixtels for 80 bucks each (which is super expensive) you are getting 160 dollars per batch revenue. Take out the cost of running the brewery,ingredients, taxes, licensing.
You are not going to make any money to speak of.
I know in SC licensing costs 2000 dollars a year, which would come down to almost 20 batches of profit for you...
You are not going to make any money to speak of.
I know in SC licensing costs 2000 dollars a year, which would come down to almost 20 batches of profit for you...
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No. They don't really care about that. I could be bottling road apples for all they care. As long as they get their tax money from it.
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License is very cheap here. My overhead is very, very low. 6 hours seems a long time per batch but this isn't going to be my main income, it's only a side gig for now. If it all folded right now I'd be left with a cool man-cave/brewery and not owing any bank or anything.
I would be very impressed if you could squeeze any profit out of this venture at all. It's good to see you have a plan "B" lined up. I don't want to discourage you, but it doesn't pencil out well at all.
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I just wanted to chime in here because we are working on a similar brewery setup. Ours will be very slightly larger, but that is not the point. For us, there is a very strong allure to starting so small that failure is nothing more than a big disappointment. For me, the number reason *not* to open a brewery is because of the huge risk of failure if you drop 100K+ in equipment, location, etc... With the way me and my partner (and also HBHoss, it seems) are starting, there is very little risk of failure and little risk of wild success. Sure, we won't make much money (if any) per batch brewing at our size, the thing you have to remember is, if HBHoss gets tons of business and everyone wants his beer, it probably takes less than $1,000 and a week's worth of work to build out his system and quadruple his batch size. The important thing is that you're growing at the same size as your market, rather than starting at 10 BBL's and waiting 1.5 years for your market to catch up.
The other thing is that its just really cool to say you own a brewery!
This is looking great HBHoss! I'm really enjoying following your progress.
The other thing is that its just really cool to say you own a brewery!
This is looking great HBHoss! I'm really enjoying following your progress.
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I have a 7bbl system waiting for me once the need arises. I figure the IRS gives me 5 years to make money.
If I break even or make a little money right now that's fine. Gives me a chance to refine my brewing technique and give the locals some good beer (hopefully).Similar threads
