two_one_seven
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For the last two days I enjoyed a 15 year old Barley wine, found 2 bottles of my wedding batch......mmmm mmmm good. Don't sweat it.
For the last two days I enjoyed a 15 year old Barley wine, found 2 bottles of my wedding batch......mmmm mmmm good. Don't sweat it.
Anyone else had similar experiences at all?
For the last two days I enjoyed a 15 year old Barley wine, found 2 bottles of my wedding batch......mmmm mmmm good. Don't sweat it.
NOTHING PATHOGENIC CAN GROW IN BEER!!!
You can't get sick from beer PERIOD, old, new, or ancient...It doesn't matter. Nothing that can live in fermented beverages can harm you period....No food poisoning or anything.
The whole history of beer, wine, mead and cider/Fermentation is general is that nothing pathogenic can exist in them They were consumed in places where the water could kill you, or make you sick.
Even slightly fermented beverages were consumed, even by children. Hard ciders were drunk like we drink bottled water.
Why do you think the Catholic Church chose wine as the basis of their sacrament? Because wine was more important to the culture of the desert where Christianity came from than water. Water safe, drinkable water was rare. So wine was the safer, common beverage of the day.
We've covered everything even with some citations in this thread. Dangers of Homebrewing
And some more info here as well.
It covers all the bugaboos that new brewers wanna fear, mycotoxins, e-coli, zombies....
@ revvy. You going to assure me that nothing pathogenic can grow in beer? Without a doubt your going to PROMISE me? Im going to start brewing some "fancier" brews soon but if they put me on the toliet with the squirts for days. Well thats gonna suck! I need to know why pathogens wont grow on beer. Then i might feel more comfortable about drinking something that looks like alien slime
@ revvy. You going to assure me that nothing pathogenic can grow in beer? Without a doubt your going to PROMISE me? Im going to start brewing some "fancier" brews soon but if they put me on the toliet with the squirts for days. Well thats gonna suck! I need to know why pathogens wont grow on beer. Then i might feel more comfortable about drinking something that looks like alien slime
Why do you all read into everything i type?
Pizza makes my man parts bigger. I think......
WTh is with everbody riding my a$$ so hard? I asked more questions but nobopdy saw that! Next time you wanna rip me a new one at least send a roll or toliet paper so i can wipe my a$$ when yall are finished!
Next yes i am afraid of 4 things germs! spiders! and the dentist! heights!
Why do you all read into everything i type? I play the varible card if something that day i came in contact with first i bath dogs then i stay out of garden incase green manure (dont think i have to explain this) or really wash up before touching anything stay away from pizza! (Same thing happened to me and i couldnt eat pizza for years! or jello)
If i wanted my a$$hole the size of a kitchen sink drain i would go see proctologist and let him play star wars with his camera do hickey. Hell cut me some slack damn!
where are all you guys getting your pizza from, a chinese pizza takeout joint an earlier poster mentioned? it'd have to be some raunchy 'za to explode from both ends.
The reasons are threefold;
pH: Pathogens are adapted to be most effective at a pH of 7.4 which is part of the human condition. The ~pH of beer is usually around 4.0. Now, remember, pH is not linear. It is logarithmic base 10 so a 3.4 linear change is actually something more like 3.4 thousand times more acidic than pathogens are comfortable with.
Alcohol: Alcohols kill bacteria by first making the lipids that are part of the outer protective cell membrane of each bacterium cell more soluble in water so that the cell membrane begins to lose its structural integrity and fall apart. As the cell membrane disintegrates, alcohol can then enter the cell and denature proteins within each bacterium.
Hops: The essential oils are acidic and the chlorophyl is toxic.
Now shaddup and go brew some alien slime.
Every single time I've had food poisoning, my mind/stomach just seems to "know" what caused it. The thought of it makes me sick.As for the pizza- it made me feel sick just thinking about the 2 slices sitting in the fridge and I struggled just picking it up to throw it in the trash...
it wasn't Gino's in Chi-town :rockin:
oh man, i so miss that place. i grew up in the north burbs about 15 minutes from the Libertyville Gino's. few things in life are better than a Gino's pie, man, very few things. i think i'll have to settle for a distant second (or third, Malnati's is pretty good, too) and get a DaVanni's pie tomorrow. it's not bad, but as i tell my wife who's a life long Mpls resident, the 'za here just doesn't compare to what i grew up on.
disclaimer: if any of you Chicagoland resident's wanna come to Minnie for a weekend, bring a Gino's pie and i'll let ya crash in my spare bedroom and supply you with some nice local brew like Flat Earth for the effort.
@ revvy. You going to assure me that nothing pathogenic can grow in beer? Without a doubt your going to PROMISE me? Im going to start brewing some "fancier" brews soon but if they put me on the toliet with the squirts for days. Well thats gonna suck! I need to know why pathogens wont grow on beer. Then i might feel more comfortable about drinking something that looks like alien slime
Charles W. Bamforth
Anheuser-Busch Endowed Professor of Malting and Brewing Sciences
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Malting and brewing; enzymology of malt and wort production
Degree
Ph. D. University of Hull, 1977
D. Sc. University of Hull, 1993
Research
Dr. Bamforth specializes in the science of malting and brewing. His current research program focuses primarily on the wholesomeness of beer, including studies on the psychophysics of beer perception, on polyphenols and on the residues from non-starchy polysaccharide digestion that constitute soluble fiber and potential prebiotics in beer. Research in the laboratory also embraces the enzymology of the brewing process, foam stability, preventing oxidation in wort and beer and alternative paradigms for beer production.
Selected Publications
Bamforth, C., editor. 2006. Brewing: New Technologies. Woodhead Publishing
Bamforth, C. 2008. Grape versus Grain. Cambridge University Press
Bamforth, C.W., editor. 2008. Beer: A Quality Perspective. Handbook of Alcoholic beverages series, Elsevier.
Bamforth, C.W. 2009. Beer: Tap into the Art and Science of Brewing, Third Edition. Oxford University Press
Bamforth, C.W. 2010. Beer is Proof God Loves Us. FT Press
Awards and Honors
Award of Distinction, American Society of Brewing Chemists, 2011
Cambridge Prize, Institute of Brewing, 1984
Extension of Knowledge Activities
FST 3 - Introduction to Beer and Brewing
FST 102A - Malting and Brewing Science
FST 102B - Practical Malting and Brewing
Short courses on brewing provided through the University of California Extension
International Brewing Courses in China, India, South Africa, United Kingdom and Australia
mtk6006 said:Next yes i am afraid of 4 things germs! spiders! and the dentist! heights!
Revvy i could kiss your a$$ and call it icecream but that doesnt make it so. I dont even know yall and you yall dont know me either. You bet im going to question things. Why wouldnt i? Now i will say this just b/c someone writes a book dont make it right. Throw someone on tv too they must be right? You dont know how many people i know are misinformed on certain subjects even fire marshall! When a whole 5 people telling me one thing and the other 50000 saying something else what am i supposed to think?
In October of 2011, a collection of experts from the International Association for Food Protection wrote an article based upon their experiments titled "Growth and Survival of Foodborne Pathogens in Beer". This is the abstract of that paper:
"This work aimed to assess the growth and survival of four foodborne pathogens (Escherichia coli O157:H7, Salmonella Typhimurium, Listeria monocytogenes, and Staphylococcus aureus) in beer. The effects of ethanol, pH, and storage temperature were investigated for the gram-negative pathogens (E. coli O157:H7 and Salmonella Typhimurium), whereas the presence of hops ensured that the gram-positive pathogens (L. monocytogenes and S. aureus) were rapidly inactivated in alcohol-free beer. The pathogens E. coli O157:H7 and Salmonella Typhimurium could not grow in the mid-strength or full-strength beers, although they could survive for more than 30 days in the mid-strength beer when held at 4°C. These pathogens grew rapidly in the alcohol-free beer; however, growth was prevented when the pH of the alcohol-free beer was lowered from the "as received" value of 4.3 to 4.0. Pathogen survival in all beers was prolonged at lowered storage temperatures."
Before anyone reads that and says "WAIT!!! AMBIGUITY!!": Mid-strength beer is defined (per the article) as 2.7% and full strength is 5%. These folks were trying to grow pathogens in beer (meaning they set it to optimum growing conditions with regard to temp, etc). Even then, they could not achieve growth. Only survival of the initial contamination when the temperature was lowered (they explain why in the body of the article).
Summary: "There appears to be no danger of the transmission of pathogens in bottled fullstrength beer; however, as the inactivation rate is slowed at low temperatures (40C), a small risk of pathogen transmission remains with draught beer dispense via crosscontamination. Furthermore, due attention must be paid in the production of alcohol-free beer, as it can support the growth of pathogens, especially at slightly elevated pH levels. Therefore, pasteurization and pH values should be closely monitored, and the production of unpasteurized alcohol-free beer is not risk free."
So, if you need a recent scientific study to confirm this; unless you are creating unpasteurized near-beer...you did not get sick from your beer.
(Thank you Johns Hopkins, and the wealth of information your library holds...)
This is getting ridiculous. This HAS to be a troll. Only trolls are so close-minded, ignorant, and distrusting of science.
mtk, you are getting torn apart because this is the internet (a corner of the internet inhabited by mostly sane people mind you) and you are making ignorant remarks. ALOT of people here posted that it was not your beer and suggested that your illness was beyond a shadow of doubt due to something else. And everyone was nice. But you continue to ignore facts, and refuse to listen to others. And when you make remarks that fly in the face of science, history, and brewing; people around here are going to irritated. So if you can't handle the heat, leave. Its just the internet after all, and if you can't take a verbal lashing you have no place here.
Just for the record, it was me (jump_xiii) that got sick, not mtk6006... just sayin'
YO! OP i hope ya feel better today! Make a mad score playing poker last night? They didnt steal all your money did they?
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