Boycott stores on Thanksgiving day.

The commercialization is getting ridiculous!

I am calling on everyone here to get everyone they know to NOT shop on Thanksgiving day. It is totally classless that Target, Walmart, Kmart Toys R Us, Sears and others will be opening 9pm on Thanksgiving day. It is also very disrespectful to the employees who will not be able to spend the day with their families.

I personally have not shopped on black Friday since the early 80's an will not ever again. Well maybe online, but I would not expect anything to be done right away.

Cudo's to Nordstram for not displaying Christmas items until AFTER Thanksgiving.

Pass the word! Let's see empty stores on Thanksgiving day!

Tell me about it, I'm one of the poor souls working at one of the above. Start work at 6pm, no Thanksgiving dinner with the family this year.

Also before anyone starts with get a new job or I've dug my own grave. Easier said then done, I'm a full time student and they work well with my hours. The pay and benefits are too hard to give up until I have my degree.

kh54s10 said:

The commercialization is getting ridiculous!

I am calling on everyone here to get everyone they know to NOT shop on Thanksgiving day. It is totally classless that Target, Walmart, Kmart Toys R Us, Sears and others will be opening 9pm on Thanksgiving day. It is also very disrespectful to the employees who will not be able to spend the day with their families.

I personally have not shopped on black Friday since the early 80's an will not ever again. Well maybe online, but I would not expect anything to be done right away.

Cudo's to Nordstram for not displaying Christmas items until AFTER Thanksgiving.

Pass the word! Let's see empty stores on Thanksgiving day!

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About half of police, fire, military, EMS, and hospital staff dont get to be home so who cares?

I don't get to be home for thanksgiving Christmas or new years. But i bet if this employees had a choice between not working the holidays and a paycheck I know which one they'd choose.

rs4life said:

About half of police, fire, military, EMS, and hospital staff dont get to be home so who cares?

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We need those people to do that job on Thanksgiving and hopefully they are getting a holiday premium for it. We don't need to go shopping for some brat's gift that night.

ReverseApacheMaster said:

We need those people to do that job on Thanksgiving and hopefully they are getting a holiday premium for it. We don't need to go shopping for some brat's gift that night.

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I get time and a half plus another full 8 hours on thanksgiving as a nurse. However, when I was a kid I would have loved to work on a holiday when I worked at Target, its more money in the bank and its not like its christmas

rs4life said:

About half of police, fire, military, EMS, and hospital staff dont get to be home so who cares?

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My brother is a EMS, sister a nurse, and brother in law a doctor, conveniently those are the people who I cannot be with as I'm a retail associate. And you said it yourself, HALF of those people are off. Stores will be 100% staffed for thanksgiving/black Friday.

Not to mention, as stated, those people are to serve and protect for the greater good of humans. Retail is commercialism. You don't NEED that half off sweater, or TV. Those things are luxuries, not necessities.

Also, to chose between a paycheck and not working the holidays. Most places pay there associates minimal wage for these days. Not to mention, as soon as the holiday is over, about 30% of the staff get the boot, as they're only holiday employed. Yes, In the end its a pay check, but its also unnecessary to open that early. If all stores opened at 9am or whatever normal hours they would on Friday, everyone would have the same advantage to get the deals, their is no advantage to opening earlier, its just commercialism at its finest.

Not to mention the added cost of keeping a store open for extended hours, adding extra hours to the budget to staff those hours, you'd save/make more money if all stores just opened as normal, and ran their specials then.

I don't shop in those crowds anyway so I'm a default boycotter I suppose.

That being said, I agree about the commercialization of the whole thing.

I saw the Christmas stuff out in early October!

steber said:

Also, to chose between a paycheck and not working the holidays. Most places pay there associates minimal wage for these days. Not to mention, as soon as the holiday is over, about 30% of the staff get the boot, as they're only holiday employed. Yes, In the end its a pay check, but its also unnecessary to open that early. If all stores opened at 9am or whatever normal hours they would on Friday, everyone would have the same advantage to get the deals, their is no advantage to opening earlier, its just commercialism at its finest.

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I worked briefly in retail, you also have to realize the only choice you have on a day like that is to work it, or lose your job, or quit, especially if you're the low man/woman on the totem pole. You're pretty much FORCED to do so. Same with black Friday.

I wonder, are the owners/shareholders of these big retail outfits going to be working on that day? Or are THEY going to be enjoying their little Norman Rockwell holiday's while the 'Po folk' especially the single parents have to try to find child care on that day.....Or simply just can't be with their family.

kh54s10 said:

The commercialization is getting ridiculous!

I am calling on everyone here to get everyone they know to NOT shop on Thanksgiving day. It is totally classless that Target, Walmart, Kmart Toys R Us, Sears and others will be opening 9pm on Thanksgiving day. It is also very disrespectful to the employees who will not be able to spend the day with their families.

I personally have not shopped on black Friday since the early 80's an will not ever again. Well maybe online, but I would not expect anything to be done right away.

Cudo's to Nordstram for not displaying Christmas items until AFTER Thanksgiving.

Pass the word! Let's see empty stores on Thanksgiving day!

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I am so with you. I heard that on the news this morning and I almost **** a brick. How ****ing greedy and heartless do you have to be to make your employees work on Thanksgiving? I've only been to the store once on black Friday and I assure you I will never ever do that again. The year I went was the same year I first heard of the employee opening the door getting trampled to death! Are you ****ing kidding me?! It makes we want to grab an M-16 and keep in check the horde that is about to descend upon retail stores across America. You wait for the ****ing door to open and the employee to get to a safe distance, then you can all devour yourselves and lose your soul to the almighty dollar.

rs4life said:

About half of police, fire, military, EMS, and hospital staff dont get to be home so who cares?

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You're ****ing ****ting me, right? All the people you just mentioned knew exactly what they were signing up for. Who the **** are you to say that just because some people are needed for essential functions that because of that we shouldn't try to maximize the number of people who are spending their holiday with family instead of perpetuating American greed?

You want to blame the stores, but it's the consumers that are at fault. If the consumers didn't shop, the shops wouldn't be open. Imagine closing your store when there are masses of shoppers at your door. What fool does that?

nukebrewer said:

Who the **** are you to say that just because some people are needed for essential functions that because of that we shouldn't try to maximize the number of people who are spending their holiday with family instead of perpetuating American greed?

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We? Maximize people who are at home? So you are going to take your M16 and make sure that people who want to shop, can't? Who the **** are YOU?

nukebrewer said:

IThe year I went was the same year I first heard of the employee opening the door getting trampled to death!

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Yeah the other thing that incenses me about this **** is the name for all this; "Door Buster Specials." Yeah, how many times when a "door busts" have folks been killed? There's been a few instances haven't there?

Revvy's right, No choice.. its a requirement. I've been working retail for 7 years now. Personally, I don't mind working crazy hours. My wife also works retail. We have no kids, so as of right now. Its no big deal. Obviously, I'd much rather be with my family. Working in the mall I see a lot of single mothers, even non-single mothers. I feel horrible for them and they're kids. While their kids are at home wondering where there mom or dad is all because commercialism is forcing them to work.

passedpawn said:

You want to blame the stores, but it's the consumers that are at fault. If the consumers didn't shop, the shops wouldn't be open. Imagine closing your store when there are masses of shoppers at your door. What fool does that?

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There will still be masses at your door if you open Friday morning instead of Thursday evening. All opening early does for you is get you your money faster. I expect total revenue won't be any more than in previous years, so if I'm right then it means their little ploy is pointlessly taking people away from their families on Thanksgiving.

passedpawn said:

We? Maximize people who are at home? So you are going to take your M16 and make sure that people who want to shop, can't? Who the **** are YOU?

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I never said they can't shop. All I said was that I wanted to make sure the gigantic mass of people don't trample some innocent person to death.

passedpawn said:

You want to blame the stores, but it's the consumers that are at fault. If the consumers didn't shop, the shops wouldn't be open. Imagine closing your store when there are masses of shoppers at your door. What fool does that?

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AGREED!!! Last year the retail chain I work for decided NOT to follow the trend that all the other stores were doing. Such as opening at 10pm, or midnight. Instead, we opened at 4am.

nukebrewer said:

There will still be masses at your door if you open Friday morning instead of Thursday evening. All opening early does for you is get you your money faster. I expect total revenue won't be any more than in previous years, so if I'm right then it means their little ploy is pointlessly taking people away from their families on Thanksgiving.

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WRONG! OUR SALES WERE THE WORST EVER! We had virtually no customers. While our company was trying to let the employees spend time with their families, customers were out spending at all the other companies that opened early. Which led to us opening at 8pm this year..

nukebrewer said:

I am so with you. I heard that on the news this morning and I almost **** a brick. How ****ing greedy and heartless do you have to be to make your employees work on Thanksgiving? I've only been to the store once on black Friday and I assure you I will never ever do that again. The year I went was the same year I first heard of the employee opening the door getting trampled to death! Are you ****ing kidding me?! It makes we want to grab an M-16 and keep in check the horde that is about to descend upon retail stores across America. You wait for the ****ing door to open and the employee to get to a safe distance, then you can all devour yourselves and lose your soul to the almighty dollar.



You're ****ing ****ting me, right? All the people you just mentioned knew exactly what they were signing up for. Who the **** are you to say that just because some people are needed for essential functions that because of that we shouldn't try to maximize the number of people who are spending their holiday with family instead of perpetuating American greed?

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Because its their CHOICE to work in retail. I worked in retail all throughout high school, was at work at 5am for black friday, guess what, I didn't ***** about having to go to work. I also worked at a hotel throughout college, did I ***** about having to work EVERY holiday, nope, because I KNEW that going into the job. Now I am a nurse and yet again I KNEW I would have to work holidays. Don't like having to work holidays? Stop bitching and find a job that doesn't have to do holidays. My point is people are complaining about having to work, incidentally in jobs that pay the least. It is an opportunity to get more money (they will be paid time and a half in most states) when they absolutely need it with christmas/hannukah/ etc... coming.

nukebrewer said:

There will still be masses at your door if you open Friday morning instead of Thursday evening. All opening early does for you is get you your money faster. I expect total revenue won't be any more than in previous years, so if I'm right then it means their little ploy is pointlessly taking people away from their families on Thanksgiving.

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The only ploy is to make money. That's the name of the game, BTW, it's capitalism. It's what we all do all year long, so don't act so innocent.

And they are not pulling people out of their beds at 2am to go shopping; those are willing participants.

Yes, I do feel for the employees that are pressured (not forced, give me a break) to work the holidays. My daughter is one of them. She is an asst. mgr. at a retail store and needs to show up at midnight Thanksgiving night. No one in my house is pissed. We are gonna show up with coffee and donuts, prolly at 2am Party Time!

Revvy said:

Yeah the other thing that incenses me about this **** is the name for all this; "Door Buster Specials." Yeah, how many times when a "door busts" have folks been killed? There's been a few instances haven't there?

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OK Revvy. Probably 2. Start a white house petition.

nukebrewer said:

There will still be masses at your door if you open Friday morning instead of Thursday evening. All opening early does for you is get you your money faster. I expect total revenue won't be any more than in previous years, so if I'm right then it means their little ploy is pointlessly taking people away from their families on Thanksgiving.

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The revenue will be the same because all stores get limited quantities of hot items. People never understand that. All the good **** will be gone in an hour.

rs4life said:

The revenue will be the same because all stores get limited quantities of hot items. People never understand that. All the good **** will be gone in an hour.

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I agree completely. My point is that it would be just as true Thursday night as it would be Friday morning.

Revvy said:

I worked briefly in retail, you also have to realize the only choice you have on a day like that is to work it, or lose your job, or quit, especially if you're the low man/woman on the totem pole. You're pretty much FORCED to do so. Same with black Friday.

I wonder, are the owners/shareholders of these big retail outfits going to be working on that day? Or are THEY going to be enjoying their little Norman Rockwell holiday's while the 'Po folk' especially the single parents have to try to find child care on that day.....Or simply just can't be with their family.

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Revvy, STFU, please.... Oh, a new avatar as if you are Jesus helping the poor stupid brewers of the world... Get over it......

sudbuster said:

Revvy, STFU, please.... Oh, a new avatar as if you are Jesus helping the poor stupid brewers of the world... Get over it......

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AWWWW are you having a bad day?????? That time of the month perhaps???? So sorry......



I'm not allowed to have an opinion???? You afraid your Walmart stock will suffer because I voiced an opinion on shopping on Turkey Day? Jealous that maybe I have THAT much power with my mere thoughts. Geez, get a life.

sudbuster said:

Revvy, STFU, please.... Oh, a new avatar as if you are Jesus helping the poor stupid brewers of the world... Get over it......

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I fail to see how any of that relates to the topic at hand.

rs4life said:

Because its their CHOICE to work in retail.

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Often one of the few choices available to folks, especially those with limited schooling is retail.....The only choice is retail or abject poverty for some.

passedpawn said:

The only ploy is to make money. That's the name of the game, BTW, it's capitalism. It's what we all do all year long, so don't act so innocent.

And they are not pulling people out of their beds at 2am to go shopping; those are willing participants.

Yes, I do feel for the employees that are pressured (not forced, give me a break) to work the holidays. My daughter is one of them. She is an asst. mgr. at a retail store and needs to show up at midnight Thanksgiving night. No one in my house is pissed. We are gonna show up with coffee and donuts, prolly at 2am Party Time!

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Let your daughter say to the management that she will not work until 6am Friday and see how long she has a job!

And you say "pressured not forced" how long do you think they will have their jobs if they wouldn't work. Holidays are one thing, but Thanksgiving WAS NOT ONE OF THEM until last year! Also show up with coffee and donuts and party with your daughter and see how fast she is shown the door.

I am lucky that, though I work in retail, my store is not open on Thanksgiving day. There is a big protest in the works by Target employees who DO NOT want to open on Thanksgiving day.

Most of the employees at these retailers are on part time. They may get time and a half and for most that will be about $12 - $15 per hour....SAD!

Revvy said:

Often one of the few choices available to folks, especially those with limited schooling is retail.....The only choice is retail or abject poverty for some.

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Or fast food, or be a certified nursing assistant, or work for the town, or do construction or landscaping, etc, etc, etc....

Meh. I work 8pm to between 5-9 am every holiday and 5-7 days a week the rest of the time. If anyone really gave a flying **** about family they would just do dinner another night.

passedpawn said:

OK Revvy. Probably 2. Start a white house petition.

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A few more than 2 actually. Injuries or deaths...

13 Most Brutal Black Friday Injuries/Deaths

Revvy said:

Often one of the few choices available to folks, especially those with limited schooling is retail.....The only choice is retail or abject poverty for some.

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In my case I live in a state that has driven out most of its manufacturing business so there is retail or service. All low paying and bad hours. I was in manufacturing and made a choice to leave my job. I do accept the difference that comes with retail but there needs to be some limits.

sudbuster said:

Revvy, STFU, please.... Oh, a new avatar as if you are Jesus helping the poor stupid brewers of the world... Get over it......

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Please keep this abusive s#*t out of my thread.

Totally uncalled for!

^Agreed. Thumbs up Jesus is chill as a muthafuka.

nukebrewer said:

I fail to see how any of that relates to the topic at hand.

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Kinda funny though.

Unfortunately, some folks (including myself) provide services to the public (i.e. RN), which sometimes includes holidays. Not complaining, we just "know what we signed up for". Not like I want to work holidays, but I guess I will be there when dumb fvckers put a frozen turkey in the deep fryer, or have a heart attack at the table, or get too drunk and crack their head open on the icy front steps of their home (all of which I have seen). Maybe you folks should be supportive of the people that are working those days to provide services that other consumers require, including retail and other goods/services that you want/ need. Take a turkey to your local E.R., buy coffee and donuts for your places of business, etc. Unfortunately folks have to work on holidays, but boycotting does not solve the problem. Unless you can persuade folks (more than voted in the last election) to boycott businesses, support the folks that have to work...

passedpawn said:

You want to blame the stores, but it's the consumers that are at fault. If the consumers didn't shop, the shops wouldn't be open. Imagine closing your store when there are masses of shoppers at your door. What fool does that?

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This is EXACTLY what prompted my post. DO NOT SHOP ON THANKSGIVING DAY! Keep the stores empty so that this BS will stop!

nukebrewer said:

I fail to see how any of that relates to the topic at hand.

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The topic at hand, as you say, is the boycotting of thanksgiving. Revvy's limited input as a long past employee seems to be very personal and non-relevant. In regards to his avatar, he has used about every notable beer personality. Oh! and WTF is your interest?....

kh54s10 said:

Let your daughter say to the management that she will not work until 6am Friday and see how long she has a job!

And you say "pressured not forced" how long do you think they will have their jobs if they wouldn't work. Holidays are one thing, but Thanksgiving WAS NOT ONE OF THEM until last year! Also show up with coffee and donuts and party with your daughter and see how fast she is shown the door.

I am lucky that, though I work in retail, my store is not open on Thanksgiving day. There is a big protest in the works by Target employees who DO NOT want to open on Thanksgiving day.

Most of the employees at these retailers are on part time. They may get time and a half and for most that will be about $12 - $15 per hour....SAD!

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Not sad. Why do so many people feel like victims? You can still do as you please in this country. If you take a job at a mall, don't get all indignant when the holidays come around.

My daughter wants to work. She really likes her job and is excited to work there. I do not make this up, really. I have no problem with it, either. If she didn't want to do it, I'd support her quitting and finding something else. No emotion necessary here.

kh54s10 said:

This is EXACTLY what prompted my post. DO NOT SHOP ON THANKSGIVING DAY! Keep the stores empty so that this BS will stop!

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I agree with that one for sure. Good day for brewing IMO.

sudbuster said:

The topic at hand, as you say, is the boycotting of thanksgiving. Revvy's limited input as a long past employee seems to be very personal and non-relevant. In regards to his avatar, he has used about every notable beer personality. Oh! and WTF is your interest?....

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Just making an observation. If you're going to post in a thread, at least make a sort of half assed effort at making a point that's on topic. Name calling only reduces any credibility you may have.

sudbuster said:

The topic at hand, as you say, is the boycotting of thanksgiving. Revvy's limited input as a long past employee seems to be very personal and non-relevant. In regards to his avatar, he has used about every notable beer personality. Oh! and WTF is your interest?....

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Who said anything about boycotting Thanksgiving????

This is about Retailers (YES) FORCING their employees to work on Thanksgiving day so that they can beat the other retailers to the punch!

sudbuster said:

The topic at hand, as you say, is the boycotting of thanksgiving. Revvy's limited input as a long past employee seems to be very personal and non-relevant. In regards to his avatar, he has used about every notable beer personality. Oh! and WTF is your interest?....

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I'll bet I'm the only one who knows your avatar. I'm not telling though. One thing's for sure, it's not you. Cheers!