White labs package date- Beersmith

Homebrew Talk - Beer, Wine, Mead, & Cider Brewing Discussion Forum

Help Support Homebrew Talk - Beer, Wine, Mead, & Cider Brewing Discussion Forum:

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.

smittygouv30

Well-Known Member
Joined
Sep 25, 2011
Messages
332
Reaction score
21
Location
Fayetteville
White labs prints a "best if used by..." date on their vials. But when entering information into Beersmith they want a "package date". In the past I have been just estimating dates to determine starter sizes because I don't know the exact package date. What do others do?

Example: I'll soon be making a starter of WLP001 California Ale. The best if used by date is February 2013. Anybody know about what this would equate to for White Labs packaging date? The package date drastically changes the viability of the yeast cells in the program, hence changing the recommended volume for my yeast starter as well.

Thanks for any and all help.
 
I believe the packaging date is approximately 6 months earlier than the "Best by" date...
 
Yes, 4 months. If you read the fine print on the vial, it's there (I think it's the very last sentence, so you don't have to read all the way through).
 
Yeah Ok I F'ed up, I was trying to find the same info as well as be late for work at the same time.... (A little rushed)
 
That's impossible,I have a vial of wlp001 in the fridge that reads "Best before April 19-13" .Four months prior to that date is exactly two weeks from today that the yeast was packaged...

4/19 minus one month is
3/19 minus one month is
2/19 minus one month is
1/19 minus one month is
12/19 is four months before 4/19.

:rockin:
 
4/19 minus one month is
3/19 minus one month is
2/19 minus one month is
1/19 minus one month is
12/19 is four months before 4/19.

:rockin:

'nuf said... :D I also think that they might pad it by a week, or two. Or some places are getting shipments in really fast, from production.

Either way, if you also use yeastcalc.com's tool, you'll see how much of a starter you should use with that production date. Also keep in mind, you don't need to toss it once it hits the 'best buy' date. Just means you'll need either a larger starter, or to add a step to the starter to get the count for the batch. I've used 10 month old White Labs vials before with this method with great results. Basically, the batch was in full on blow-off mode in under 8 hours from pitching. :rockin:
 
Also keep in mind, you don't need to toss it once it hits the 'best buy' date. Just means you'll need either a larger starter, or to add a step to the starter to get the count for the batch.

Yep, it's hard to keep a good yeast down.

It is a bit hard to know what your cell count is when you do this, though. I've not used an ancient vial, but I have a similar issue with some rinsed yeast that's been sitting around for a while. My solution is to be conservative, and use a two or three step starter, since that tends to reduce the sensitivity to the exact starting number.

The experts claim there can be other problems using old yeast, in terms of less than ideal fermentation characteristics, but I'm pretty sure that's in the noise for my brewing.
 
Yep, it's hard to keep a good yeast down.

It is a bit hard to know what your cell count is when you do this, though. I've not used an ancient vial, but I have a similar issue with some rinsed yeast that's been sitting around for a while. My solution is to be conservative, and use a two or three step starter, since that tends to reduce the sensitivity to the exact starting number.

The experts claim there can be other problems using old yeast, in terms of less than ideal fermentation characteristics, but I'm pretty sure that's in the noise for my brewing.

I used a three step starter (in my 2L flask) for the batch with 10+ month old White Labs vials (two WLP099 vials for a big English BarleyWine). Decanted the spent starter wort, made it into a slurry and pitched it in. Even if it wasn't at the amount calculated, it took off so bloody fast it was great. Used the blow-off hose for the first 5 days (or so) then was able to change over to the airlock. Fermented for close to two months that way (lower temperatures and a 15.3% ABV target). I'm letting it settle before I transfer to aging keg. Sometime in the next week, or three, I'll transfer it over and put some oak in there.
 
4/19 minus one month is
3/19 minus one month is
2/19 minus one month is
1/19 minus one month is
12/19 is four months before 4/19.

:rockin:
Yeah Ok I F'ed up, I was trying to find the same info as well as be late for work at the same time.... (A little rushed)
 
I used a three step starter (in my 2L flask) for the batch with 10+ month old White Labs vials (two WLP099 vials for a big English BarleyWine). Decanted the spent starter wort, made it into a slurry and pitched it in. Even if it wasn't at the amount calculated, it took off so bloody fast it was great. Used the blow-off hose for the first 5 days (or so) then was able to change over to the airlock. Fermented for close to two months that way (lower temperatures and a 15.3% ABV target). I'm letting it settle before I transfer to aging keg. Sometime in the next week, or three, I'll transfer it over and put some oak in there.

Sounds very interesting.

I'm getting ready to do a maibock (lager, around 1.070 OG) using some WLP833 German Bock yeast that I rinsed in mid-November. Since it's a couple months old, I started it in a half liter of low-gravity wort (around 1.020) and then added about 2.5 L of 1.040 after a day. After a couple more days, I'm going to crash it for about 2 days, then decant and split it into two 1-gallon jugs and add about 2.5 L of wort to each of those.

Based on yeastcalc's calculator, this should give something in the range of 550-650 billion cells for a starting cell count ranging at least from 10 to 30 billion cells, so I should have a pretty good error margin. I followed a similar process for a Bock that's going now, except I skipped the first stage and used two of my jars of yeast, one in each of the gallon jugs. I don't know exactly what the count was on the Bock, but it had a very quick start for a lager, even pitching at 45°F and fermenting at 48°F for the first few days. It was showing signs of Krausen in < 12 hours.

I was a little worried about starting with a single vial, after an additional month and a half of storage, but it really sprang to life in the first stage and the second stage is just as vigorous as I remember for the last batch. So all the signs are good...


Yeah Ok I F'ed up, I was trying to find the same info as well as be late for work at the same time.... (A little rushed)

No worries. Fencepost / off-by-one errors are part of a truly grand tradition. (And, FWIW, the reason I formatted my post like I did was because it was the only way I could be sure I was counting correctly.....)
 
Back
Top