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Thinking of making a label and I have 2 first drafts, what do you think?
Would people be offended by these labels?
Brand name is Aggressively Apathetic.


If I go with the green one or something similar I will trim the extra stuff outside the circle, these are just rough drafts.

Edited to remove them. Clearly it is offensive and that is not my intention.
 
IMO it is Aggressively inappropriate, and really borders on troll like posting. Alcoholism is not something to treat so flippantly; I argue that this community is about responsible brewing and consuming, and are ambassadors for such lifestyle. Accordingly this community recognizes the inherent dangers of alcohol, and also supports those who struggle with the gripping and harrowing affects it has on their own lives, or of those they love.

I believe there is a world of other avenues for you to pursue, and would strongly suggest you explore them.
 
I have to agree with cyberbackpacker concerning the AA label as it is inappropriate. In the words of Jim Rome, did drunk driving or kiddie porn not want any of that?
 
repost! We are not ALL so easily offended by good humor.
Don't base your opinion of the forum by a guy with 97 piosts and one with 16! Let the moderator's decide what's appropriate.
 
IrregularPulse said:
repost! We are not ALL so easily offended by good humor.
Don't base your opinion of the forum by a guy with 97 piosts and one with 16! Let the moderator's decide what's appropriate.
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Agreed, the mod will ask you to take it down if its overly offensive but 2 people is not a majority.
 
Having seen the OP before it was removed, I have to say that I found nothing offensive about it. It took me a bit before I even got the AA reference (I can be kinda dense, sometimes). It was a clean, simple, label.

That being said, I can see that someone (or at least two someones) may take a PC slant on the AA angle, but I've never been that guy.

"My name is Kelsch, and I'm an @sshole."

Admittance is the first step, I guess...
 
cyberbackpacker said:
Alcoholism is not something to treat so flippantly; I argue that this community is about responsible brewing and consuming, and are ambassadors for such lifestyle. Accordingly this community recognizes the inherent dangers of alcohol, and also supports those who struggle with the gripping and harrowing affects it has on their own lives, or of those they love.
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I stand by my claims; as has been made evident, post count clearly is not indicative of possessing good taste or understanding of serious medical and social ills. I applaud the OP for removing the label, as appropriating the symbol of Alcoholics Anonymous for a beer label or brewery logo is never in "good humor", and is not merely the reflection of someone taking a "PC slant".

People that are familiar with alcoholism, or been unfortunate to be impacted by it, I believe would agree with these statements.

My opinion is not everyone's, I get it, but being conscious, and acting accordingly, of serious issues is something I believe in regardless if I am in a minority. Doing the right thing, regardless of what other people might say/do, is the right thing to do.

End rant.
 
Well this is a forum for alcohol thus we should not have to be censored for alcoholics browsing. This label is the least of their worries if they do have the disease and are homebrewing.
I also understand that someone who is perfectly capable of moderating themselves might be affected from a family member having the disease. My Wife's Uncle is an alcoholic and I know how it's affected his relationship with his 2 sons. BUT, just because some people might be offended doesn't mean someone doesn't have the right to post a joke about it.

Have you never laughed at a racist joke? Doesn't mean you're racist.

I am sick of people censoring because they might hurt someone's feelings. This country is full of pussies afraid to offend someone.

I think using the symbol for AA as a brewery logo is a good example of Ironic Humor.
It's a freaking joke, Post the Label.
*end rant*
 
IrregularPulse said:
Well this is a forum for alcohol thus we should not have to be censored for alcoholics browsing. This label is the least of their worries if they do have the disease and are homebrewing.
I also understand that someone who is perfectly capable of moderating themselves might be affected from a family member having the disease. My Wife's Uncle is an alcoholic and I know how it's affected his relationship with his 2 sons. BUT, just because some people might be offended doesn't mean someone doesn't have the right to post a joke about it.

Have you never laughed at a racist joke? Doesn't mean you're racist.

I am sick of people censoring because they might hurt someone's feelings. This country is full of pussies afraid to offend someone.

I think using the symbol for AA as a brewery logo is a good example of Ironic Humor.
It's a freaking joke, Post the Label.
*end rant*
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Ethical and moral behavior explicitly entails doing what is right, regardless of who, if anyone, knows of said actions. Again from my, admittedly limited, experience I was of the belief that this forum was about being ambassadors and responsible representatives of this culture.

Bringing up racist humor is actually a blight to your argument, as well as resulting to vulgarities to appeal to some perverse sense of masculinity or machismo and is a further example of an inability to get "it".

Read some Henry Louis Gates, Gloria Anzaldua, Gloria Ladson-Billings, or Monique Wittig to understand the complexities of the creation of race, sex, etc. and the general societal stratification that exists in "this country" and is impetus enough to argue for what is right. There exists a need to understand that there is a difference between free speech and hate speech. While I do not claim that this label in and of itself represents such, the arguments and ideals surrounding it has started to cross the threshold of these immensely complex, very real, issues.


This is not the forum to delve deeper into why this line of thinking and
argument is flawed, but would gladly do so elsewhere.


*done*
 
i also saw those labels when they first went up. an abbreviation is just an abbreviation . AA does not belong to alcoholics annon. irony and humor are healthy. ive seen some ridiculous labels for beer and some are flat out intentionally offensive and vulgar. its the internet and the logo is personal use. plus, i thought it looked good. go with it.

please get off your ethical high horse and chill out. you found it offensive. say "its offensive to me or others". PERIOD. no need to be preachy about it.

i do believe there is some saying about relaxing and drinking something... ;) all in good fun, right?
 
cyberbackpacker said:
Ethical and moral behavior explicitly entails doing what is right, regardless of who, if anyone, knows of said actions. Again from my, admittedly limited, experience I was of the belief that this forum was about being ambassadors and responsible representatives of this culture.

Bringing up racist humor is actually a blight to your argument, as well as resulting to vulgarities to appeal to some perverse sense of masculinity or machismo and is a further example of an inability to get "it".

Read some Henry Louis Gates, Gloria Anzaldua, Gloria Ladson-Billings, or Monique Wittig to understand the complexities of the creation of race, sex, etc. and the general societal stratification that exists in "this country" and is impetus enough to argue for what is right. There exists a need to understand that there is a difference between free speech and hate speech. While I do not claim that this label in and of itself represents such, the arguments and ideals surrounding it has started to cross the threshold of these immensely complex, very real, issues.


This is not the forum to delve deeper into why this line of thinking and
argument is flawed, but would gladly do so elsewhere.


*done*
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I never claimed to be an ambassador to this forum's ideals. I believe this forum is about enjoying beer period. Some people are here just to make something themselves to dirnk, some people are here to learn as much as possible, some are here for the science of it, ect, ect, ect. I believe we are mostly all (including myself) responsible drinkers and promoters of responsible drinking. That doesn't mean we can't have a label that some would find amusing.

I'm not going to discuss morals and ethics with you. I am a good person and believe I have good morals and ethics when it comes to real life. I do not cheat, steal (ok, I save pics off the internet, edit them and use one my labels for personal use), or harm other people. I help my friends with what I can. I try to live on planet earth. I do not need to read some book to make my opinions about what I believe to be Right., Wrong, or Acceptable. I find offensive comedy entertaining because I have the ability to understand a joke as a joke.

I just want to see this freakin label already.
 
Ok, here is the original as well as some variations.
First attempt
AA3.jpg

Less words
3.jpg

different background
2.jpg

different all together
4.jpg


Any suggestions? These are only rough drafts done in paint.net, I have a friend who is good at photoshop and will help me finalize something once I decide what.
 
Ya, I want to see it, too. Making up offensive names for your beer is mathematically proven to be 14.7% of the fun of homebrewing

Edit: Huazzah, its back! I like the first one the bext, but would try to fill up the triangle with the As more. Maybe add "Agressively Apathetic " to it also to account for the AA
 
HOLY CRAP! That's what we've been arguing about? No offense to your labels, I just mean I don't see how they're offensive at all. There is no claim to Alcoholics Anonymous! I sure hope Kevin Ken Kuttle (made up name) never decides to make beers and use his initials. Everyone already knows that those initials belong to someone else and can never be used to represent any other words from the English language!

About the labels. I could see those circles as being good for the neck label, but would want much more graphically and information about the particular beer.
 
logo1.gif


This is the hubbub; see his first versus this.

Yunnus, I think the second one has possibilities.

Additionally I would think Kevin Ken Kuttle would receive scrutiny if he tried to do something with this image and added his initials to it:

KKK-symbol.jpg
 
cyberbackpacker said:
Ethical and moral behavior explicitly entails doing what is right, regardless of who, if anyone, knows of said actions
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The problem is that everyones definition of 'right' is different.

I have no problem with your being offended, or stating the fact that you are, and I applaud you for voicing your opinion. The OP asked for feedback and you gave it and that is great. Personally, I did not find the labels offensive - didn't even make the AA connection, I must admit, but it doesn't really change my reaction to them.

I do have a problem with the idea that if someone's opinion is different than someone else's that they are not 'right.' If you can't laugh at something as innocuous as a personal label, that will probably never enter commercial circulation, what can you laugh at?

Cheers :mug:
 
HaHaHa, I didn't realize it was such a blatant copy, But the complete copy is what makes the irony. If kevin made that and had the balls to post it then that's his business.


Looks like a nice Christmas IPA to me.

Tha's a crudly drawn ribbon on the christmas present there
Now I would never make anything like this as I do not promote racism and hate crimes, But if someone would post it I would just ignore it.

hop ale.jpg
 
*chuckle*

Tempest in a teapot.

The "Aggressively Apathetic" labels look better than the AA logo that was posted up. Maybe OP can do some design work for beer money. :D

Would also make a great "American Amber" label.
 

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