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aeonderdonk

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So, i realized just now that i forgot to sanitize my carboy before pouring my wort in last night. The carboy had an IPA in it that i bottled while brewing and I hosed it out, washed it with some dish soap, and rinsed. I hope that it will be fine but anyone have any similar experiences? Results?
 
I forgot the sanitize my primary on one of my brews. I kicked myself for it and swore to be more careful. So when I transferred to secondary I made sure to sanitize the Better Bottle really well. And then forgot to sanitize the autosiphon.

Came out just perfect.
 
ChshreCat said:
I forgot the sanitize my primary on one of my brews. I kicked myself for it and swore to be more careful. So when I transferred to secondary I made sure to sanitize the Better Bottle really well. And then forgot to sanitize the autosiphon.

Came out just perfect.
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Outcomes like that are why I don't think my current problem is infection (same off flavors for last three batches). I mean if people have been able to make beer for centuries (millenia?) in such horrible conditions, I still find it hard to believe that infections cause that many problems.
 
Sounds like i'm safe. Had it blow the airlock off today for the first time in my brewing experience and smells kind of doughy, not sure if it's just some hyper yeast or what.
 
aeonderdonk said:
Sounds like i'm safe. Had it blow the airlock off today for the first time in my brewing experience and smells kind of doughy, not sure if it's just some hyper yeast or what.
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Yep, sounds like RDWHAHB is in order...

Give it o few weeks and see how it turns out.

Of course, if you think it's infected, send the whole batch to me, and I'll dispose of it correctly.:mug:
 
shek said:
I mean if people have been able to make beer for centuries (millenia?) in such horrible conditions, I still find it hard to believe that infections cause that many problems.
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Yes, they made beer, but note things like... "Mild" wasn't called "mild" because it was low in alcohol like the modern version. It was "mild" because it was the young beer that hadn't turned sour yet.

It wasn't that they made the same beer we have now in those conditions. They just made beer. Often with all the off flavors and problems we try to avoid.
 
shek said:
Outcomes like that are why I don't think my current problem is infection (same off flavors for last three batches). I mean if people have been able to make beer for centuries (millenia?) in such horrible conditions, I still find it hard to believe that infections cause that many problems.
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the thing is, most beer in acient times had to be consumed rather quickly or it became acidified by the wild yeasts it was infected by. Its not that old brewers managed to make beer without getting it infected, its that no one knew anything else.
 
Just make sure to rinse out all that dish soap really well and then rinse some more. Leftover soap residue was killing my head for a couple batches. Oxyclean is a better choice.
 
Reading through the replies, I was starting to wonder if I was the only one to notice that. I never use soap on any equipment, from buckets to glasses.
 
In the old days it wasn't a matter of IF the beer would spoil/sour...it was a matter of WHEN. Many light infections in homebrew go totally undetected. Sometimes a very light souring makes a beer taste better.
 
shek said:
Outcomes like that are why I don't think my current problem is infection (same off flavors for last three batches). I mean if people have been able to make beer for centuries (millenia?) in such horrible conditions, I still find it hard to believe that infections cause that many problems.
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The problem is that once infections DO get into your process, they tend to stick around. Like any creature, wild yeast and other infectants will stick around the last place they were fed. You ever get ants in your house? They will NEVER go away once they first start to find food there.
 
You'll find that we've all done that and much worse and our beer manages to survive.

There's collected stories in here, and you'll find that many of us have forgotten to sanitize something on occasion;

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f39/wh...where-your-beer-still-turned-out-great-96780/

You'll find that since beer has been made for millenia even before anyone understood germ theory, that even just the basic fact that we have indoor water, clean our living spaces and ourselves regularly and have closed waste systems, and a roof over our heads, that we are lightyears ahead of our ancestor brewers.

And despite the doomsayers who say that ancient beer was consumed young because it would go bad, they forget the fact that most of those beers were usually HOPLESS, and that the biggest reason hops were placed in beers was for it's antisceptic/preservative function.

So even if the beer had to be consumed young, it still must have tasted good enough to those folks most of the time to survive culturally for 4,000 years, and not go the way of pepsi clear or new coke. I'm sure even a few hundred or thousands of years ago, people were discerning enough to know if something tasted good or nasty...

Go take a look at my photo walkthrough of Labatt's first "pioneer" brewery from the 1840's https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f85/labatt-pioneer-brewery-128740/

Wood fermenters, open cooling pans, open doors, cracks in the logs and beams letting air in, and not one bottle of starsan in sight. :D

The way I figure even just having some soap and water, basic 21st century hygiene, and a basic understanding of germ theory trumps how it was done from Gilgamesh's time through Louis Pasteure's....

In most places we don't have to even worry about boiling our water before drinking it. :D

So relax.
 
hal2814 said:
The problem is that once infections DO get into your process, they tend to stick around. Like any creature, wild yeast and other infectants will stick around the last place they were fed. You ever get ants in your house? They will NEVER go away once they first start to find food there.
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That's not quite the case with our brewing, you can usually isolate the source of the infection, be it a scratch in our gear, some piece of biomatter lodged somewhere and replace the gear/hoses, "carpet bomb" the rest of the gear with a bleach water solution, and switch up your sanitizer for awhile, and that will take care of it usually. I know from experiece.

And besides, despite most new brewer's fear of infections, they are actually inevitable, and are really no big deal.

There is a lot of info in this thread.

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f39/has-anyone-ever-messed-up-batch-96644/

I hate to break it to you, but it's inevetable that you will have a bad batch or infection somewhere down the line...On Craftbrewer radio they said it usually happens around the 10th, the 30th and the 50th batch...even the pro's deal with it (the Brewer at New Glarus said in an interview on Basicbrewing radio that a commercial brewery operation gets a 3 year grace period before their first infection)

It's called a house germ...and it develops over time...

I got an infection around the 20th batch, I replaced my autosiphon, bottling wand and all my hoses and changed my sanitizer, in case the house germ was getting used to it...

This is one of the best posts on the subject....

Saccharomyces said:
If you pitch enough viable, healthy yeast to do their job, it's hard to contaminate your brew to the point it isn't drinkable. Trust me, I've had an infection in my brewery, and I had to work really hard to get it! :D In my case, it was on the fourth generation of re-using yeast which I had not washed properly (I was still a n00b back then). Every time you reuse yeast you are growing the level of contamination by 100-1000x, so I learned the hard way you have to be very careful going beyond 1 or 2 re-uses of yeast.

A n00b following sanitary procedures using new equipment is very unlikely to have ruined beer. The worst thing that may happen is your beer will go sour after 4-6 months of room temperature storage. I doubt your beer will last that long. :rolleyes:
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The hosts of the podcast in Australia have 60 years of brewing experience...It's funny, but John Palmer learns from them they've been doing hpmebrewing radio for 6-7 years first on commercial than as a podcast...this is a very good discussion on infection and infection control.

They talk about the "timeframe" of infections, and how it is less likely for a first batch to be infected...it tends to occur around the 10th batch and the 50th...When the equipment gets more used up, and "house germs" start to build up. They used the term "house mouth" in the discussion, how we may not even notice, because we're sort of used to the taste of our beers, it's usually NOT a regular drinker of our beers that notices it.

December#2,2006

“What is sour mashing?” I hear you ask. So said our brewmaster as he guides you thru this most interesting of ways of making a beer. In a nice compact show, we also cover feedback, Kit and Kilo infections, our beer superhero turns “gay”, and a faviourite beer song is requested yet again. Not enough, well also hear about WHO stuffed up his brew day.

http://radio.craftbrewer.org/shows/December2-06.mp3
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So really, if it happens it's not the end of the world....but most people need to realize, especially new brewers that infections are still relatively rare, especially if it is your first batch of beer, and you gear is relatively new. Someone like me with several year old gear is more likely going to get a scratch or slip somewhere and get one.

But after I found the source of mine (in my autosiphon) I replaced it, got new hoses, thoroughly cleaned everything, and began alternating between Starsan and iodophor to keep ahead of any germs...I haven't had any more issues in a year.
 
wow Revvy, baller post! Sounds like it's bound to happen, but hopefully not this time.

I'll have to check out some of those podcasts.
 
aeonderdonk said:
wow Revvy, baller post! Sounds like it's bound to happen, but hopefully not this time.

I'll have to check out some of those podcasts.
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If it happens, more than likely it is NOT because you didn't sanitize your primary UNLESS you have a bunch of deep gouges/scratches, and never even rinse you gear out. It is usually not because we didn't do anything, or we stuck our hand in the beer, or anything...it's more like that our gear is worn, or there is some biomatter lodged in a spigot our something.

If your fermenter was at least clean, and everything else was sanitized that came into contact post boil, and no bird crapped in the fermenter ....then I am about 90% positive you dodged the bullet.

So maintianing rdwhahb, is in order.
 
Revvy said:
That's not quite the case with our brewing, you can usually isolate the source of the infection, be it a scratch in our gear, some piece of biomatter lodged somewhere and replace the gear/hoses, "carpet bomb" the rest of the gear with a bleach water solution, and switch up your sanitizer for awhile, and that will take care of it usually. I know from experiece.

And besides, despite most new brewer's fear of infections, they are actually inevitable, and are really no big deal.

There is a lot of info in this thread.

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f39/has-anyone-ever-messed-up-batch-96644/

I hate to break it to you, but it's inevetable that you will have a bad batch or infection somewhere down the line...On Craftbrewer radio they said it usually happens around the 10th, the 30th and the 50th batch...even the pro's deal with it (the Brewer at New Glarus said in an interview on Basicbrewing radio that a commercial brewery operation gets a 3 year grace period before their first infection)

It's called a house germ...and it develops over time...

I got an infection around the 20th batch, I replaced my autosiphon, bottling wand and all my hoses and changed my sanitizer, in case the house germ was getting used to it...

This is one of the best posts on the subject....




The hosts of the podcast in Australia have 60 years of brewing experience...It's funny, but John Palmer learns from them they've been doing hpmebrewing radio for 6-7 years first on commercial than as a podcast...this is a very good discussion on infection and infection control.

They talk about the "timeframe" of infections, and how it is less likely for a first batch to be infected...it tends to occur around the 10th batch and the 50th...When the equipment gets more used up, and "house germs" start to build up. They used the term "house mouth" in the discussion, how we may not even notice, because we're sort of used to the taste of our beers, it's usually NOT a regular drinker of our beers that notices it.



So really, if it happens it's not the end of the world....but most people need to realize, especially new brewers that infections are still relatively rare, especially if it is your first batch of beer, and you gear is relatively new. Someone like me with several year old gear is more likely going to get a scratch or slip somewhere and get one.

But after I found the source of mine (in my autosiphon) I replaced it, got new hoses, thoroughly cleaned everything, and began alternating between Starsan and iodophor to keep ahead of any germs...I haven't had any more issues in a year.
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I'm well aware of infections and their inevitability. I got my first batch-ruining infection in 2002 after about 15 batches and fought with infection problems for the better part of that year. Bleach EVERYTHING and replace all hoses was eventually my solution :) I may have done a bad job of getting my point across but the main thing I was trying to convey is that once you do get that noticeable infection it's a good idea not to chalk it up to fate and carry on as usual or it WILL bite you again in the near future.
 

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