Love TSX-10240 Dual Input/Dual Output Controller Questions....Please Help!

Is anyone familiar with the Love TSX-10240 Temp. Controller. It is a dual input (2 temp. probes) and dual output (to control two environments). It is designed for refrigeration purposes only. I familiar with basic household electrical wiring, but the diagram for this thing has thrown me for a loop.

I went with this unit, because I need one probe/channel to contol output to the freezer compressor to cool the feezer and one probe/channel to control output to the inductor fans to cool my coffin. I have found every frickin' wiring diagram out there for all of the other models (TS, TS2, TSS2, etc.), but not for this one! I want to wire this thing to control power to individual plugs for supplying the compressor and the fans....I would prefer to not splice into the stock cords. If anyone is familiar with this model or has a diagram that is easier to read than the one that came with the unit....please let me know. Thanks HBT members!

I cannot help you out, but if you don't get a reply with good info, try to get a hold (PM maybe) of ClaudiusB. I think he is sort of the resident expert on the Love controllers.

Thanks KurtB. I sent him a PM, so hopefully he can point me in the right direction. Leave it to me to choose the only Love Controller that hasn't been used by someone on HBT. Hopefully he can come through, because I started this thread, PM'd several other people, and asked the question on my Keezer Build thread and haven't gotten any concrete info. I have faith in the HBT masses.... somebody will come through.

KurtB said:

I cannot help you out, but if you don't get a reply with good info, try to get a hold (PM maybe) of ClaudiusB. I think he is sort of the resident expert on the Love controllers.

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Hoppopotomus said:

Is anyone familiar with the Love TSX-10240 Temp. Controller. It is a dual input (2 temp. probes) and dual output (to control two environments). It is designed for refrigeration purposes only. I familiar with basic household electrical wiring, but the diagram for this thing has thrown me for a loop.

I went with this unit, because I need one probe/channel to contol output to the freezer compressor to cool the feezer and one probe/channel to control output to the inductor fans to cool my coffin. I have found every frickin' wiring diagram out there for all of the other models (TS, TS2, TSS2, etc.), but not for this one! I want to wire this thing to control power to individual plugs for supplying the compressor and the fans....I would prefer to not splice into the stock cords. If anyone is familiar with this model or has a diagram that is easier to read than the one that came with the unit....please let me know. Thanks HBT members!

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I am not 100% sure, but I think the second relay of the TSX-10240 is used for defrosting only. The following sentence is repeated on the different catalog pages.

Select from single output units with one 16A SPST relay dual output with one 16A SPST relay and one 8A SPDT relay for defrosting or three output models with one 16A SPST, 8A SPST and 5A SPDT.

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They don't say what the third relay is for. The documentation is vague and confusing on other points too.

Hey Quaffer
I think you are right. I spent 1 hr on the phone with 2 different "IT Specialists" at Dwyer and both assured me that this was the unit that suited my needs. Now when I look ast the top of the unit at the schematics it really makes sense. What a PITA! Oh well, I guess the fans will come on with the compressor or they will have to be on an always on switch

Hoppopotomus said:

Hey Quaffer
I think you are right. I spent 1 hr on the phone with 2 different "IT Specialists" at Dwyer and both assured me that this was the unit that suited my needs. What a PITA! Oh well, I guess the fans will come on with the compressor or they will have to be on an always on swit

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Don't panic, I sent you a PM


Cheers,
ClaudiusB

Hi ClaudiusB....thanks for the response. I'm afraid that Quaffer may be right. Here is a pic. of the controller. Let me know what you think. I'm just pissed that the IT folks at Dwyer told me on multiple occassions that this was the control that I needed.

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Hi ClaudiusB....thanks for the response. I'm afraid that Quaffer may be right. Here is a pic. of the controller. Let me know what you think. I'm just pissed that the IT folks at Dwyer told me on multiple occassions that this was the control that I needed.

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When I built my kegerator I actually ordered the dual output TSX-10240 for reasons similar to yours. Dwyer charged me for the '240 and also listed the '240 on the invoice, but they shipped the '140, single output. I came to the conclusion that the '240 only added a defrost output, and since cost difference was small enough I figured it was not worth it to try to correct it. I think their engineers are putting out a good product, but the rest of the company is screwed up. For a frustrating excercise, try to change the security code of the unit. The instructions do not work as written, and I could not figure it out. I was able to change the code, but not using the new code. I ended up rebooting the device to restore the factory code.

Thanks for the feedback Quaffer. I have gotten some much needed feedback from ClaudiusB via PM. He indicated that the TSS2 is the model I'm looking for to control two seperate applications. I was told directly from the Dwyer "Technical Specialists" (2 different ones) that the TSS2 did have two outputs, but one is for cooling and the other has to be for heating. Since so many people use the TSS2 for their fermentation chambers that require both cooling and heating, I believed this to be the case. Evidently the TSS2 can handle two cooling applications, but I have another PM into ClaudiusB to confirm.

My kegging equipment is due for deliver TODAY :rockin: and I wanted to have the temperature controlling side of this done. If ClaudiusB doesn't have any ideas up his sleeve to make the TSX 10240 work, I'll contact Dwyer today to swap out for a TSS2, which is a couple of bucks cheaper anyhow. I'm leaving to go out of town for the weekend for a wild guys weekend with a group of grad. school buddies, so I have time to have another controller shipped if that's what needs to happen. Won't know until I hear back from ClaudiusB or if someone else chimes in to confirm. Thanks for the response and check out my keezer build when you get a chance.

OK...so I spoke with another Technical Specialist with Dwyer and he agrees with ClaudiusB that I need the TSS2 Model Controller. The TSX-10240 does have dual inputs and dual outputs, but the second output is for a defrosting mode only for freezers. He said that there may be a way to "reprogram" that unit, but it would be easier to just swap it out for the TSS2, which will be delivered tomorrow. Thanks for all of your input guys!

The TSS2 has an impressive amount of programming options. I've never used mine this way but from what I understand of the programming you could set it up for cooling on both relays. Remember the second relay is only 8 Amps and not 16 Amps like the first one.

If you look at the programming options here you'll see that c1 and c2 allow you set the operating mode for relay 1 and 2 respectively. Like I said I have never programmed it to work that way but see no reason why it couldn't.

I was told the same thing by their tech guys and bought the 10240 about a week before you. Right when I was about to give up getting this controller to control both the compressor and the fan I saw you had ordered the same controller. So I have been sitting back and waiting to see what you came up with. Will the TS2 control the fan too like you want? Did they charge you any shipping for the exchange?

Scott

You will want the TSS2-2100 for 110v & *F. The TSS was a couple of bucks cheaper, but it does NOT come with a temp. probe like the TSX, so you have to buy them seperately. They did not charge me for shipping the new one out and they did not charge me for a re-stocking fee. Actually they were really cool about it...no problems. I do, however, have to pay to ship it back, but no big deal. I have been assured by their tech. manager at Dwyer and multiple people at this point and....yes, it should run both applications.

In the post before yours, TomSD did mention that the second relay is only 8 amps, but not being an electrical guy, I need to find out exactly what that means. Hopefully it's enough to run a couple of fans...even if it is at a lower RPM I should be OK. If not, I have an always on plug that I can run the fans on all of the time....or....I have a switched plug with a normal light switch on the side of the keezer that I could plug it into and run the fans non-stop before drinking sessions. I'll try to find out more.

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I was told the same thing by their tech guys and bought the 10240 about a week before you. Right when I was about to give up getting this controller to control both the compressor and the fan I saw you had ordered the same controller. So I have been sitting back and waiting to see what you came up with. Will the TS2 control the fan too like you want? Did they charge you any shipping for the exchange?

Scott

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Thanks TomSD....BTW, will the 8 amps on the secondary relay run a couple of small inductor fans without difficulty? I'm not exactly sure how it will affect peformance. Any insight from someone like yourself that knows a heck of alot more about electricity than me, would be great. Worst case scenario if they can't keep up to maintain the temp., I can use my always on plug or a manual switched plug. I would much prefer the temp. controller to run them for obvious reasons. Your feedback is appreciated!!!

TomSD said:

The TSS2 has an impressive amount of programming options. I've never used mine this way but from what I understand of the programming you could set it up for cooling on both relays. Remember the second relay is only 8 Amps and not 16 Amps like the first one.

If you look at the programming options here you'll see that c1 and c2 allow you set the operating mode for relay 1 and 2 respectively. Like I said I have never programmed it to work that way but see no reason why it couldn't.

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Hoppopotomus said:

will the 8 amps on the secondary relay run a couple of small inductor fans without difficulty?

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I am not TomSD, the answer is yes.

For simplicity get 120 VAC fans, no DC supply required.



Cheers,
ClaudiusB

Thanks ClaudiusB....I was responding to TomSD's response above about the second relay being only 8 amps. Thanks for the answer!

ClaudiusB said:

I am not TomSD, the answer is yes.

For simplicity get 120 VAC fans, no DC supply required.



Cheers,
ClaudiusB

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I swapped mine out for the TSS2-2100 today. The fist lady I talked to said I couldn't return the TSX-10240 and that she couldn't help me. I then asked her to transfer me to the tech guys. They agreed that I would need the TSS2-2100 to do what I wanted and didn't think I would have any trouble exchanging them. He transferred me back to the ordering department and this time I talked to a different lady and she was very nice and took care of the exchange. Overall I am happy with Dwyer Instruments but I don't know why the first lady was so unwilling to help.

I'm glad it worked out for the both of us. I received mine on friday, but was out of town for the weekend, so it's not hooked up yet. I'll probably tinker around with it today, but I'm certain that my wiring is ready to go. I think that Dwyer has so many different combinations of controllers for various applications that it's easy to get confused. However, if your are working in the "technical service department" for a company, you should be a little more well versed on the products. The TSX-10240 is a unit that is not typically stocked, but when I called they happened to have 6 units on their shelves. Most likely since it was a unit that is typically not a stocked item, that is probably why the first person gave you a hard time about returning it.

Oh well....it worked out in the long run. Good luck, let me know how it works for you.

g8tor said:

I swapped mine out for the TSS2-2100 today. The fist lady I talked to said I couldn't return the TSX-10240 and that she couldn't help me. I then asked her to transfer me to the tech guys. They agreed that I would need the TSS2-2100 to do what I wanted and didn't think I would have any trouble exchanging them. He transferred me back to the ordering department and this time I talked to a different lady and she was very nice and took care of the exchange. Overall I am happy with Dwyer Instruments but I don't know why the first lady was so unwilling to help.

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I'm planning on posting a build thread as soon as I start building mine. Right now I'm just gathering the parts and trying to decide if I want to do a build like yours or a wood collar.

Scott

Awesome....I love following keezer threads, so drop me a PM when you start. It all depends on how big your chest freezer is and how many kegs and taps your want. If you are looking at greater than 3 to 4 taps and don't want to convert a monster size chest freezer, then the collar is the way to go to get a reasonable amount of kegs into a 7.2 or 8.9 cu.ft. I really just prefer the coffin look and the fact that you don't have to bend down to collar height to fill a pint. As you are well aware...it's just personal preference. I have seen spectacular coffin builds and spectacular collar builds. For me, it was hard to justify "needing" more than 4 kegs with 3 on tap at any given time. Those guys that have 6-10 kegs in their pipelines must have a lot more free-time than myself, because it would take an aweful lot of brewing to keep it full. If I had that many beers on tap, I would need a liver transplant at 40. Good luck with your build.

g8tor said:

I'm planning on posting a build thread as soon as I start building mine. Right now I'm just gathering the parts and trying to decide if I want to do a build like yours or a wood collar.

Scott

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I have the freezer and its 8 c ft and I have the 4 taps. My new Love controller came in yesterday and I already have been kegging my beer and using my fridge with a picnic tap. I prefer the looks of the coffin but all the builds I have seen are attached to the lid of the freezer and I really don't want to drill any holes in the freezer. I can get four kegs on the floor of the freezer and that is fine but a collar would let me get two more on the hump. Not that I want 6 beers on tap but having extra room to condition a beer or two would be nice. I'll let you know when I get started on mine. The only thing I need now are the shanks (they are ordered), drip tray, and the wood.

Scott

Great plan....sounds like you are ready to go! Keep me posted.

g8tor said:

I have the freezer and its 8 c ft and I have the 4 taps. My new Love controller came in yesterday and I already have been kegging my beer and using my fridge with a picnic tap. I prefer the looks of the coffin but all the builds I have seen are attached to the lid of the freezer and I really don't want to drill any holes in the freezer. I can get four kegs on the floor of the freezer and that is fine but a collar would let me get two more on the hump. Not that I want 6 beers on tap but having extra room to condition a beer or two would be nice. I'll let you know when I get started on mine. The only thing I need now are the shanks (they are ordered), drip tray, and the wood.

Scott

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Can anyone help me out now.

I did swap out the TSX for the TSS2 without problems. I am just wrapping up my keezer build and was doing a few experiments with the temp. controller. I am trying to read the instructions that came with the unit, but it's a little over my head. Basically here is what I want:

Sd1 Temp. Probe to control the Output 1 switch, which powers the plug in which my freezer compressor plugs into. The temp. probe is in the freezer compartment.

Sd2 Temp. Probe to control the Output 2 swithc, which powers the plug in which my Inductor fans are plugged into to circulate air into and out of the coffin. The temp. probe is in the coffin compartment.

I got everything wired up and I'm having a little problem. Both of the Outputs.....Output 1 and Output 2 are being controlled by the Sd1 temp. probe. Basically, the temperature of the temp. probe that is in the chest freezer compartment (Sd1) is controlling both outputs.

I can't figure out how to program this thing to make it suit my application. Any suggestions?

I still haven't started my keezer yet but I think I'm going to do pretty much the same thing you did. This is what I was going to do when I got to wiring mine.

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f11/love-tss2-2100-programming-help-112303/

Let me know if that works or not.

Thanks,

Scott