TheJadedDog
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You are not the only one; I cannot stand the children, any of them.
Who else is sick of hearing the laughter of children?
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RodfatherX
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On another note. Just this last fathers day I took my dad and mom out to eat at a steak house. This little kid (whose mom was a total milf) was sitting across from us in the waiting for your seat area. The little kid kept pulling on his dads pants leg. Not saying anything and just pointing at the stuff on walls wanting to get his dad to look at what he was looking at. Both of them just sat there texting away like the poor kid didn't exist. This kid was probably 2 or 3.
cheezydemon
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Anyone who has posted that they don't like kids and couldn't imagine having any.....Thanks!
We really appreciate people like you removing yourselves from the gene pool voluntarilly!!
Have a nice day!
We really appreciate people like you removing yourselves from the gene pool voluntarilly!!
Have a nice day!
JVD_X
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For the record - my wife and I like children; however we have chosen to be a child-less couple for lifestyle reasons. From an intellectual and demographic view point childless couples are gaining momentum fast (at least in the US) - although it is still not as high as the 1930's when couples chose not to have children because they cost too much.
The reality is that most couples are delaying marriage until their 30's and 40's so just when they are planning on retiring, they have college expenses to worry about. In 18 years it's going to cost several hundred thousand dollars to send kids to an average college - basically wiping out any savings you might have and putting your kid in deep deep debt with probably very little chance of ever getting a job. It is well known that childless couples are much more affluent in the same way that gays are... we have lots of disposable cash. Cash that politicians need.
So... from a political standpoint... as the ranks of childless couples grows along with savings and cold hard cash... you can forget about schools, money for sport programs, etc... because we don't need those services and don't want to pay for them.
On a personal note...
both my neighbors have put up basketball nets for their kids and now that school is out they are out playing from 7 am to 11 PM all week long. The catch is that there are completely open basketball courts across our quiet suburban street. All day I have to listen to "boing! boing! boing! boing! SLAM!"
Like I said earlier - we do like children but every time I vote it will be against having to pay for the burden of YOUR children.
The reality is that most couples are delaying marriage until their 30's and 40's so just when they are planning on retiring, they have college expenses to worry about. In 18 years it's going to cost several hundred thousand dollars to send kids to an average college - basically wiping out any savings you might have and putting your kid in deep deep debt with probably very little chance of ever getting a job. It is well known that childless couples are much more affluent in the same way that gays are... we have lots of disposable cash. Cash that politicians need.
So... from a political standpoint... as the ranks of childless couples grows along with savings and cold hard cash... you can forget about schools, money for sport programs, etc... because we don't need those services and don't want to pay for them.
On a personal note...
both my neighbors have put up basketball nets for their kids and now that school is out they are out playing from 7 am to 11 PM all week long. The catch is that there are completely open basketball courts across our quiet suburban street. All day I have to listen to "boing! boing! boing! boing! SLAM!" Like I said earlier - we do like children but every time I vote it will be against having to pay for the burden of YOUR children.
I want to recommend Idocracy (the movie) . It's pure genius. If you don't get it, it really does need a repeat viewing. The net effect of the trend of affluent intelligent people having less and less kids is well illustrated.
All good. I'm third of six in my family.
Sister 1 - 2 kids (one adopted)
Sister 2 - 2 kids
Me - 0
Sister 3 - 1 kid
Sister 4 - 1 kid
Brother - 0
Told my mother I wasn't ever having kids when I was 8. Child-free is good.
Sister 1 - 2 kids (one adopted)
Sister 2 - 2 kids
Me - 0
Sister 3 - 1 kid
Sister 4 - 1 kid
Brother - 0
Told my mother I wasn't ever having kids when I was 8. Child-free is good.
And we wonder why the rest of the world looks at America and mocks our "me first" attitude.
So you don't want to pay for public education for kids?
You think not educating kids is going to make you better off? Who the heck is going to change your colostomy bag when you're 85 years old if we don't educate todays youth?
No money for sports programs for kids?
But you'll give cash to politicians?
I fully expect that when I'm 75 years old, my Thanksgivings will entail all four of my kids and about 7 or 8 grand kids (hopefully more) running around the house. Tearing **** up, making a racket and yes...maybe even laughing out loud. That's what I consider a successful life.
But that's just me. I'm a family guy.
JVD_X
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Hello Mexico!
BierMuncher, seriously and with all-due-respect, there are other opinions out there. I don't have anything against children, or school programs, or education for children. What I DO dislike is this socialized opinion that the burden of children should be equally shared and I find the idea of "the villages' children" to be sickening. You want to educate your children? Send them to private school. We need to do away with public schools altogether.
BierMuncher, seriously and with all-due-respect, there are other opinions out there. I don't have anything against children, or school programs, or education for children. What I DO dislike is this socialized opinion that the burden of children should be equally shared and I find the idea of "the villages' children" to be sickening. You want to educate your children? Send them to private school. We need to do away with public schools altogether.
Desert_Sky
Since 1998
Im the oldest of 7, I have 3 of my own, and I cant wait for grandkids.
Life is good when surrounded by family
Life is good when surrounded by family
Wow. Just... wow.
No public schools? THAT sure sounds like a great public policy! Who the hell needs an educated workforce! Why on earth should those who come from lower income families be able to educate themselves! Hell with that! That's not what we're looking for in our society!
I mean, I'm all about keeping government small... BUT WIPING OUT PUBLIC EDUCATION? That's just WHACKY!
EDIT: How the hell does this:
Reconcile with this?
You're just fine with school programs as long as they are all 100% privately funded and don't cost you a cent?
c.n.budz
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I love the fact that all the "I'm never having kids" crowd always seems to forget that THEY WERE ONCE KIDS THEMSELVES, and if their parents hadn't had kids, they would not be here to complain about kids...
I don't have any kids yet, but I plan to.
I don't have any kids yet, but I plan to.
There's the problem (in bold). Let the kids fend for themselves. Both my wife and I put ourselves through engineering school. Paid back the debt no problem with an engineer salary. No burden to parents finances. Expecting my only child to do the same.
So those who cannot afford private schools? What do you suggest?
Trust me. You're talking to a right winger who voted for Reagan in '80. I know the difference between the "it takes a village" attitude and one that says if we want to live in a civilized society, we bare the burden of paying for law enforcement, fire protection, health care for the elderly (which is us someday) and yes...maybe even along the way, we educate the children so they don't become a bigger burden as uneducated, jobless adults.
You do realize that this country was built on public education right?
Most financial planners will tell you to make damn sure your retirement picture is in good shape before worrying about funding your kids' college education. Lots of ways to get $$ for college; scholarships, grants, loans, etc, not too many options to get $$ for retirement.
I've put away a fair amount of money for my retirement but not much yet for The Bean, but of couse she's a supergenious who's going to get a full athletic scholarship to play hoops, with a great laugh.
jmulligan
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It doesn't seem reasonable to pick and choose what public services you would and would not fund. If you want to do away with public education, then you should also do away with libraries. That is another service you pay for but have the option of choosing not to use. There may be streets you don't drive on, can you stop contributing to funds that repair those as well?
Some things are just for the overall benefit of society as a whole, and everyone contributes to them.
I agree with BierMuncher, what we DON'T need in this country is more of the "ME, MYSELF, MINE" attitude that I see in people every day.
Some things are just for the overall benefit of society as a whole, and everyone contributes to them.
I agree with BierMuncher, what we DON'T need in this country is more of the "ME, MYSELF, MINE" attitude that I see in people every day.
"My house ain't burned down - I'm not paying for no goddamn fire department!"
TheJadedDog
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What does Mexico have to do with anything? Last time I checked they were not, in fact, a socialist country.
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Dang it Bird, you beat me to it!the_bird said:
cd2448
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you have to have public schools, there's no getting around it, but it doesn't make the $4000+ a year i pay to our school system via property tax feel any better coming out of my wallet.
now, why don't we do the same thing for medical care?
i like kids though, for the most part. if they could just be hidden away during those difficult teen years when they are all full of BS. like sent to madagascar or something from 12 to maybe 22
now, why don't we do the same thing for medical care?
i like kids though, for the most part. if they could just be hidden away during those difficult teen years when they are all full of BS. like sent to madagascar or something from 12 to maybe 22
Glibbidy
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I don't know about everyone else, but I would prefer to hear the laughter of children over most of the other noises they can be known to make.
Can I call you twenty-somethings hippocrates now, or in twenty years from now after some of you nay sayers actually procreate?
Can I call you twenty-somethings hippocrates now, or in twenty years from now after some of you nay sayers actually procreate?
cd2448
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I don't know about everyone else, but I would prefer to hear the laughter of children over most of the other noises they can be known to make.
Can I call you twenty-somethings hippocrates now, or in twenty years from now after some of you nay sayers actually procreate?
you got that right. smart money says that 70%-80% end up with kids
Soulive
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+1 on both accounts...
shafferpilot
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Everyone's entitled to their opinion, let's try not to get too personal.
There's this strange, strange thing that happens to people when they become parents...... They decide that the whole world instantly revolves around their little kid. Then there's this idea that suddenly they have all the answers to child raising, and everyone else has no clue. Plus any attack on any parent suddenly becomes a personal attack. It truly boggles me. I understand that most kids are well behaved, small versions of adults. Those kids are being raised by men and women like the ones here on HBT. But I do think it's reasonable to say that there are parents that are screwing up big time, and could benefit from some advice from, well, anybody 'cause whatever they're doing or not doing clearly isn't cutting it!
Drop public education? I'm thinking that's probably not a great answer. The vast majority of our highschool graduates (and dropouts) are not educated enough to get anything approaching a real job. Sure they're qualified to work at McDonald's, but that does the country no good at all. Those kids used to be able to go and work in the factories and earn a reasonable living, but well educated people some years ago decided that it would be better for our country to give those jobs to computers, Mexicans, Chinese, Thai, etc etc etc.... Now we're in quite a pinch. Millions of under-educated well-fare recipients who are reproducing like rabbits. Take a guess what their kids are going to do with their lives. I don't pretend to have a great answer here, but we are definitely in trouble. Personally, I don't blame education..... I blame the people who decided that America was ready to open the doors to the world market in every way possible instead of doing it slowly, one industry at a time, and carefully considering the consequences.
Frankly, at this point, I'm not sure I can blaim kids today for not respecting the people that have come before them. Take a look at the economic mess that we're handing them. I'd be pretty pissed too.
There's this strange, strange thing that happens to people when they become parents...... They decide that the whole world instantly revolves around their little kid. Then there's this idea that suddenly they have all the answers to child raising, and everyone else has no clue. Plus any attack on any parent suddenly becomes a personal attack. It truly boggles me. I understand that most kids are well behaved, small versions of adults. Those kids are being raised by men and women like the ones here on HBT. But I do think it's reasonable to say that there are parents that are screwing up big time, and could benefit from some advice from, well, anybody 'cause whatever they're doing or not doing clearly isn't cutting it!
Drop public education? I'm thinking that's probably not a great answer. The vast majority of our highschool graduates (and dropouts) are not educated enough to get anything approaching a real job. Sure they're qualified to work at McDonald's, but that does the country no good at all. Those kids used to be able to go and work in the factories and earn a reasonable living, but well educated people some years ago decided that it would be better for our country to give those jobs to computers, Mexicans, Chinese, Thai, etc etc etc.... Now we're in quite a pinch. Millions of under-educated well-fare recipients who are reproducing like rabbits. Take a guess what their kids are going to do with their lives. I don't pretend to have a great answer here, but we are definitely in trouble. Personally, I don't blame education..... I blame the people who decided that America was ready to open the doors to the world market in every way possible instead of doing it slowly, one industry at a time, and carefully considering the consequences.
Frankly, at this point, I'm not sure I can blaim kids today for not respecting the people that have come before them. Take a look at the economic mess that we're handing them. I'd be pretty pissed too.
RodfatherX
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This is exactly why I was just saying in another thread that I hate the global economy. We are in a pickle of a mess all together. All of our jobs now are all service jobs. It was the factories and production that turned this country into a super power.
What do you propose, though? Keep all the crappy manufacturing jobs here? Who makes the decisions which industries are allowed to go global?
THE GOVERNMENT?!?!?!
I hate to say is, Shaffer, but this statement:
... is really as Socialist as it comes. "Who" should be making those decisions, other than the marketplace?
The solution isn't keeping crappy jobs here... it's making the population educated enough and having enough skills to succeed in newer industries. Better for your kids to grow up with a good education and learn how to design something rather than sit on an assembly line and just put it together.
THE GOVERNMENT?!?!?!
I hate to say is, Shaffer, but this statement:
... is really as Socialist as it comes. "Who" should be making those decisions, other than the marketplace?
The solution isn't keeping crappy jobs here... it's making the population educated enough and having enough skills to succeed in newer industries. Better for your kids to grow up with a good education and learn how to design something rather than sit on an assembly line and just put it together.
BrewWench
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Haha, that is great logic right there. Right up there with "But your kid might end up curing cancer!" and "kids aren't THAT bad!"
Nope, still not convinced. Some people really don't reproduce and they're not bad people for it, and they have their own reasons that don't affect anyone else.
I say we go talk about some beer.
Anyone know where I can get a keggle?
Anyone know where I can get a keggle?
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