"Brewing Classic Style" by Jamil and John

I just got this book, and the recipes look great, but I have a question:
When I entered 2 of the recipes into BeerTools Pro, all of the specs were way off compared to what Jamil has listed. The Color, IBU, OG and FG are higher on BTP than in the book.

Anybody know what gives?

I had to adjust the amounts of Crystal 40L and 120L in an Irish Red recipe so the color fell into the BJCP guidelines. BTW, I am brewing with all grains, not extract.

The recipes are for 6 gallons.

Which recipes did you enter?

Their recipes are for 6 gallons, so perhaps you need to adjust your batch size.

-Steve

Ahh...six gallons! Thanks for the info gents! I've entered the Irish Red ale, and the American Amber ale into BTP so far. A friend is giving me a bunch of freshly harvested Cascades next month that I plan on tossing into the Amber to fresh hop it.

Here's another thing you need to do to brew those recipes:

If you'll notice when you throw in all-grain malts instead of the extract recipes, the percentages are off from the original recipe.

The best way I've found to work them is to enter them all as is (I use Beersmith) with jamil's efficiency (70% I believe) and his all-grain substitutions as a 6 gallon batch (with no kettle loss calculations) then convert to your own efficiency, THEN tweak the grain bill until the percentages of each malt match up, watching your planned OG. I've done a recipe or two from that book with both this method and the method of just entering his amounts (rather than percentages) and I'm pretty confident that the percentage balancing is the way to go.

Cheers!

I am with you Budzu. Percentage is the way to fly.

The percentage of grainbill is one of my only gripes with that book. (percentages are for extract + speciality grains - NOT all grain) Every recipe I have done out of it has been great, though!

What I do, is add up the total grain weight, using the all grain option, then recalculate the percentages of total grain bill for all grain, and write them in beside the extract percentages in the book. Makes it easy for me to scale it any which way in beersmith, and for future reference.

I really love this book.

I don't have it in front of me, but all the specs should be listed. Make sure you have the batch size and efficiency correct. He also uses the Rager formula to calculate hops. Beersmith defaults to Tinseth, so make sure to change that in the settings.

Page 39, the section titled Brewing These Recipes has all the specifics.

Boy, a lot of posts in the last few days from jamilz. Assuming he is the real Jamil, and not that Facebook imposter we've heard about, it's good to have him here. I'm wondering if the I Am A Homebrewer video "controversy" made him remember he had an account here?!?!

If it is really you, and not that skunk faced liar, then welcome back. I really enjoy the BN shows oh, and I like the book as well!

I enjoy the book and have been using it for a reference on a lot of my recent brews. I'm down to about 1-2 pints of the IPA and the Saison left. Both of which I will brew again in the future.

I get about 65% efficiency and I brew 5.5 gallon batches. The listed grain bill gets pretty close to the OG for me.

Shooter said:

Boy, a lot of posts in the last few days from jamilz. Assuming he is the real Jamil, and not that Facebook imposter we've heard about, it's good to have him here. I'm wondering if the I Am A Homebrewer video "controversy" made him remember he had an account here?!?!

If it is really you, and not that skunk faced liar, then welcome back. I really enjoy the BN shows oh, and I like the book as well!

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Yes, in fact it was the whole video thing that reminded me to try and get back here every so often. I get so busy sometimes I can't seem to keep up with the forums anymore.

I generally use my opossum face when I lie. Makes it easy to tell.

jamilz said:

Yes, in fact it was the whole video thing that reminded me to try and get back here every so often. I get so busy sometimes I can't seem to keep up with the forums anymore.

I generally use my opossum face when I lie. Makes it easy to tell.

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Well, welcome back! It's always good to have another knowledgable person on the board.

I was also going to note that you might want to update your profile as they default to female and noticed yours had the default setting, but I see you have already done some housekeeping in that regard.

Keep the good shows coming on the BN. Not just blowing smoke, I think a lot of people on here get a lot out of them. Now, when's that next book coming out?

jamilz said:

Yes, in fact it was the whole video thing that reminded me to try and get back here every so often. I get so busy sometimes I can't seem to keep up with the forums anymore.

I generally use my opossum face when I lie. Makes it easy to tell.

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Yeah, welcome back, even though you joined before me I guess I can still say that

I enjoy your Can you brew it series as well, I never found out where we send in the requests for the beers to clone though??? I am the guy that that requested Bert Grants Perfect Porter in the first response to your Moose Drool show. I am now trying to get it down as my house porter and whipping up a 3 gallon test batch this weekend after a lot of research. (https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f12/bert-grants-perfect-porter-clone-11597/)

Oh yeah, I have your Brewing classic styles book too and enjoy the information.

I'd like to see all the recipes in promash or beerxml format. Would that be considered infringement? I guess if Jamil said okay I've seen several on the intrawebs.

bakins said:

I'd like to see all the recipes in promash or beerxml format. Would that be considered infringement? I guess if Jamil said okay I've seen several on the intrawebs.

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There's already a slew of JZ's recipes right here:

Jamil's Brewing Network Program Recipes

I've done several and they have all turned out fantastic!

Shooter said:

Boy, a lot of posts in the last few days from jamilz. Assuming he is the real Jamil, and not that Facebook imposter we've heard about, it's good to have him here. I'm wondering if the I Am A Homebrewer video "controversy" made him remember he had an account here?!?!

If it is really you, and not that skunk faced liar, then welcome back. I really enjoy the BN shows oh, and I like the book as well!

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There was a "controversy"?

camiller said:

There was a "controversy"?

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Well, for some people. In a nutshell, some people liked it, some people didn't, harsh words were spoken, people were called names, insanity reigned. With time the bad feelings will soften and everyone will hold hands and sing Kumbaya!

brewt00l said:

There's already a slew of JZ's recipes right here:

Jamil's Brewing Network Program Recipes

I've done several and they have all turned out fantastic!

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He also has podcasts up here: The Brewing Network.com - Shows and Podcasts: The Jamil Show

These are great downloads. He gives the recipes from the book and tips to making a great beer. I always listen to the podcast of the particular style before I brew it.

sleepystevenson said:

I am with you Budzu. Percentage is the way to fly.

The percentage of grainbill is one of my only gripes with that book. (percentages are for extract + speciality grains - NOT all grain) Every recipe I have done out of it has been great, though!

What I do, is add up the total grain weight, using the all grain option, then recalculate the percentages of total grain bill for all grain, and write them in beside the extract percentages in the book. Makes it easy for me to scale it any which way in beersmith, and for future reference.

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That's exactly what I do as well. Excellent book. My only gripe is this extra step I need to do as I all-grain brew.

Kal

If Jamil reprinted an all-grain edition of the entire book, I'd for sure buy it again Mine's stained all to hell anyway.

Budzu said:

If Jamil reprinted an all-grain edition of the entire book, I'd for sure buy it again Mine's stained all to hell anyway.

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The Jamil Show podcasts give all grain and extract versions of the recipes.

Budzu said:

If Jamil reprinted an all-grain edition of the entire book, I'd for sure buy it again Mine's stained all to hell anyway.

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We all enjoy homebrewing, but that's taking it too far.