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Not trying to be an alarmist or scare anyone but just curious if anyone saw the piece on BPA on the News Hour with JIm Lehrer. And to alert the commuinty about this potential hazard.

Here's the link

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/health/july-dec07/bottle_10-30.html

They were saying that BPA is used to make plastic that is CLEAR and HARD so I'm sure this would include PET, PETE & Better Bottles.
They did say it was used in making Nalgene bottles.

Just wanted to post this so folks can make informed decisions.

To be Forewarned is to be Forearmed.
 
I'd be more worried about a better bottle giving "off flavors" to my beer than weather or not some chemical may or may not slowly killing everyone. It sounds more like the media machine spreading fear for sensationalism sake. You know, get all them little soccer mom's all spun up over bs we've been exposed to for 200 years. But hell, the ratings are good this week!!!
 
Seabee John said:
It sounds more like the media machine spreading fear for sensationalism sake. You know, get all them little soccer mom's all spun up over bs we've been exposed to for 200 years. But hell, the ratings are good this week!!!
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I would probably feel the same way if the story came from ABC, NBC, CBS or Fox

But the PBS news is not prone to sensationalism, and gives opinions both pro and con. Not just one side of the story that you get with the big 4.
 
Hold on guys... I just checked Better Bottle's website. BPA is not present in PET, or in Better Bottles.

Bis-phenol A (BPA) has nothing to do with PET. — BPA is a potential endocrine/gene disruptor that is associated with the production of polycarbonate (PC), also know as Lexan, plastics and epoxies, among other things.1,2 BPA is not used in the production of PET material, nor is it used as a chemical building block for any of the materials used in the manufacture of PET.
http://www.better-bottle.com/techni...tle&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us&client=firefox-a
 
pahiker6 said:
Hold on guys... I just checked Better Bottle's website. BPA is not present in PET, or in Better Bottles.

/QUOTE]

You may very well be correct but the web page you posted provided no definative info about BPA in PET or not in PET.

Here's a quote from the article I posted.

JENNIFER SASS, National Resources Defense Council: Some do, and some don't. And the problem is the consumer doesn't have a reliable way of knowing the difference.

BETTY ANN BOWSER: Sass says, if a plastic product is clear and hard, it is most likely to contain BPA. And unless the federal government were to require labeling, consumers can only make an educated guess.

JENNIFER SASS: And what they're going to need to do, unfortunately, is phone up the companies that they're interested in or phone up the Food and Drug Administration and have the government provide information. But preferably moving away from plastics is the best choice, if you can.
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Sorry about my link. It didn't work right. When you got to BB's website, select Purity from the listing on the left, and you can pick out the BPA topic. If you just google bisphenol a and pet, you will see many sources stating no link between the two.
 
abracadbra said:
I would probably feel the same way if the story came from ABC, NBC, CBS or Fox

But the PBS news is not prone to sensationalism, and gives opinions both pro and con. Not just one side of the story that you get with the big 4.
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I don't trust any media especially PBS.
 
This debate has been raging for years. The first problem is that so little BPA is used in plastic that the effects are debatable. Also, no one actually knows if the BPA they are finding in humans is actually leeching from plastic or if it's from another source.
 
Seabee John said:
I'd be more worried about a better bottle giving "off flavors" to my beer than weather or not some chemical may or may not slowly killing everyone.
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I thought that's what the Alcohol was for...
 
pahiker6 said:
Sorry about my link. It didn't work right. When you got to BB's website, select Purity from the listing on the left, and you can pick out the BPA topic. If you just google bisphenol a and pet, you will see many sources stating no link between the two.
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It appears that you are correct about the fact that BPA is not linked to PETE.

So it seem that the BPA link would mainly effect #7 type plastic.

Thanks for contributing to the discussion.

You got my curiosity up to do further research and I found this:

http://www.seventhgeneration.com/making_difference/newsletter_article.php?article=254&issue=62

according to these folks

Evidence exists to suggest that plastic water and other bottles made from plastic type #1 PETE may leach certain toxic compounds into the liquids they hold, especially over time and with repeated use. These compounds include acetaldehyde and antimony. Further, although its findings are disputed by the International Bottled Water Association, a non-peer-reviewed study conducted at the University of Idaho and presented at the Society for Risk Analysis 2001 Annual Meeting, concluded that a potentially carcinogenic compound called diethylhexyl adipate (DEHA) can leach from PETE bottles. For these reasons and until more is known, precaution is in order, and we advise consumers to avoid repeat use of PETE bottles or the purchase of PETE-bottled products that appear to have been on the shelf for a long period of time.

These folks are not anti-plastic as they further suggest that#5PP, #2 HDPE and #4 LDPE are safe.
 
Seabee John said:
I'd be more worried about a better bottle giving "off flavors" to my beer than weather or not some chemical may or may not slowly killing everyone. It sounds more like the media machine spreading fear for sensationalism sake. You know, get all them little soccer mom's all spun up over bs we've been exposed to for 200 years. But hell, the ratings are good this week!!!
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this is kinda funny since better bottles tout having less of chance of producing off flavors than glass carboys.
 
Seabee John said:
I strongly second. This is the right arm of the socialist agenda folks.... there coming for your guns AND your beer!!!
:rockin:
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Jim Lehrer busted down my door and stole all of my IPA.

Apparently he's a fan of bitters.
 
I have never done any research on better bottles but being a logical thinking person how can they say plastic gives less off flavors than glass?
 
rohanski said:
I have never done any research on better bottles but being a logical thinking person how can they say plastic gives less off flavors than glass?
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There is still argument over the fact of whether glass is a liquid or a solid, though I don't believe that supercooled silicon dioxide is readily water soluble...

A new polyethylene container does have an odor to it, though I've been told it's a byproduct of the mfg process, not from the material.

There is a website http://www.plasticsmythbuster.org/
dedicated to just such a dilemma. They are linked to heavily by plastics companies websites, but I'm not sure if they affiliated or just adored by them.
 
Hmm, 700 studies and only 38 "scientists" were concerned. Sounds like another one of those alarmist media stories. I saw no conclusive peer reviewed studies indicating elevated health problems in humans or animals from the very low levels ingested from typical consumer use.

If you go by their research, homicidal crack babies or expoding Chevy pickups should have killed us all by now.
 
With all of this skepticism of the media and scientists I am finding it hard not to bring up the global warming thing again. OK I won't.
 
Rich the Brewer said:
Hmm, 700 studies and only 38 "scientists" were concerned. Sounds like another one of those alarmist media stories. I saw no conclusive peer reviewed studies indicating elevated health problems in humans or animals from the very low levels ingested from typical consumer use.

If you go by their research, homicidal crack babies or expoding Chevy pickups should have killed us all by now.
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Are you sure you read this part correctly?

Recently, the Centers for Disease Control said it found BPA in the urine of 95 percent of over 2,000 adults tested at random. But the question nobody seems to be able to answer definitively is: Does the chemical do harm to the human body?

Thirty-eight internationally recognized scientists, all experts on BPA, recently said yes.

In an unusual consensus statement, after looking at 700 different studies on BPA, and after publishing their findings in six peer-reviewed papers, the scientists said: Adverse effects found in animals exposed to low doses of BPA gave them cause for "great concern" because of the "potential for similar adverse effects in humans."
 
Brewing Clamper said:
Warning: Life is hazardous to your health.
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Ignorance is too.

Looks like I chose the wrong forum to start a debate on health issues.

Lesson learned.
 
abracadabra said:
Ignorance is too.

Looks like I chose the wrong forum to start a debate on health issues.

Lesson learned.
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Don't be discouraged. Just be ready to put up with bastid devil's advocates like myself who only comment to get a rise out of people, you tree hugger. :D
 
I retired a few yrs ago from a co. that is one of the largest producers of PET for use in water,soda, booze, and beer bottles.

A guy in the research labs spent much of his time developing super sensitive tests for all the possible baddies and then testing liquids stored in the bottles for several months.

The leach rates are verrry low and way below what the FDA is worried about.

I do not know if the "7" labeled water bottles have been studied with ethanol.
 
Seabee John said:
I'd be more worried about a better bottle giving "off flavors" to my beer than weather or not some chemical may or may not slowly killing everyone. It sounds more like the media machine spreading fear for sensationalism sake. You know, get all them little soccer mom's all spun up over bs we've been exposed to for 200 years. But hell, the ratings are good this week!!!
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You're right about the media machine. We are now in November sweeps, a period where TV news outlets run sensational stories (how a trampoline can kill/5 things you should know about laundry detergent, etc) to gain the most viewers. Why? Because the number of viewers during sweeps is used to set the advertising rates for the next few months. They do sweeps in May and Nov. and there may be one more in July. You run sentional stories like this....and you're bound to get more viewers. This has been a recurring story in the news for at least the past 2 years.
 
I have 4 Better Bottles and a bunch of glass carboys, the BB's are always my first choice unless they are full. I am sure all the artificial sweetners will kill me before the BPA does.
 
The National Resources Defense Council is nothing more than a Marxist front organization. Just look at their website, we would all be living in caves if we left it up to these types.
 
jakee117 said:
The National Resources Defense Council is nothing more than a Marxist front organization. Just look at their website, we would all be living in caves if we left it up to these types.
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I'm sure caves are hazardous to your health as well.
 

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