roggae
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After listening to james spencer's podcast on organic brewing i am wondering if it is worth it? has anyone else tried brewing an organic brew? i'm thinking, since i am an organic gardener. makes sense to me....
roggae said:After listening to james spencer's podcast on organic brewing i am wondering if it is worth it? has anyone else tried brewing an organic brew? i'm thinking, since i am an organic gardener. makes sense to me....
Beermaker said:But then your beer farts wont stink. Why bother?
orfy said:No. I disagree, I don't think it will taste better.
Organic food does not taste better than food grown in the same condition as the organic food. The only reason Organ is perceived to be better is because people compare it with mass produced forced grown food. I'm not saying organic isn't better for other reasons but it does not make the food taste better.
It like comparing Budpisser and a craft beer. Nothing like the same.
But an Organic craft beer and a normal craft beer will have no clear difference in quality and taste if the same ingredients and methods are used.
I grow my own food and it is not organic. I used weed killer last year and slug pellets so I can't call it organic but it is grown with care and I bet it tastes better than mass produce organic produce.
All I can say is do not believe the marketing.
orfy said:What's an opinion?
The bit about none organic food can taste better than organic?
The bit about not believing the Organic food industries marketing?
The bit about that if you grow food using the same methods as organic production but none organically it will probably be better?
The bit about an organic craft beer will not taste any better than a non organic beer produced by the same methods.
I'd say that is facts rather than opinions.
But were all entitled to our opinions.
I'm not trying to change yours, just stating mine.
orfy said:What's an opinion?
The bit about none organic food can taste better than organic?
roggae said:factually, this is an opinion. i'd bet if you ate hydro-chemi grown lettuce that was grown in a sterile hydro outfit, you'd taste a difference from an organic product. which one is better is an opinion, but i'm not going to get into an argument on a forum about that.
i'd love to go organic and i do believe the 'marketing.' it's just too much $$ to go completely orgo.
Chimone said:well lets try and stay on topic. Organic malted barley....not organic lettuce. I seriously doubt you will tell a difference in a finished beer.
roggae said:factually, this is an opinion.
orfy said:Sorry that is a fact.
Non organic food can taste better than organic.
The food I grow is none organic and it tastes better than the organic food I buy. I don't over water, if feed organic fertiliser but not over feeding. I have a long growing season.
My food does taste better than the organic food. Fact.
I know there is a difference between force grown food and non force grown organic but I stated that the taste difference can only be compared on products grown with the same methods organically or not. That's why I used the budpisser analogy. Organic food can be force grown and will taste worse than non organically grown with traditional methods.
Don't think you need to defend organic products. I know the facts and have based my opinions on them and you'll not change my mind. I'm not trying to change yours and don't want to.
I am passionate about quality foods and do not listen to the marketing industry and make my own mind up. So much so I am over 50% self sufficient on the food I eat and am trying to increase it by any method I can.
Chimone said:whats a good example of an organic beer? Im going to pick up a sixer tonight for the hell of it.
orfy said:What's an opinion?
The bit about none organic food can taste better than organic?
The bit about not believing the Organic food industries marketing?
The bit about that if you grow food using the same methods as organic production but none organically it will probably be better?
The bit about an organic craft beer will not taste any better than a non organic beer produced by the same methods.
I'd say that is facts rather than opinions.
But were all entitled to our opinions.
I'm not trying to change yours, just stating mine.
Mike B said:a little bit , but . . .
I don't want to get involved in the larger argument (don't really care), but it should be said that these are ALL opinions, not facts. That is to say, they can't really be proven or disproven.
Taste is subjective. Can you say that it's a fact that Pepsi tastes better than Coke? No, that's an opinion.
Nice curveball!!! Now, having said that I do occasionally brew with organic ingredients might make one think I'd have an answer to this, but I don't. I am in it for the freshness and quality of the ingradients, and as I've stated I think breworganic.com are tops in that catagory. I use water and b-brite to clean, and an iodine solution to sterilize. The iodine technically 'gasses' off the glass (plastic, for you better bottlers ) as it dries so I'd argue that none of that stuff gets 'into' the beer. By then, all the b-brite is washed away also. I supposed I'd be guilty of not using an organic process, but I am pretty sure all the ingredients in the beer would be organic.......and I'm not sure how much that counts to people who care about the label or not!!!!wop31 said:I am just wondering what you would use to sanitize and cleen your equipment with in order to do an organic brew. Because wouldn't one have to take that into consideration in order to call it organic. I only ask because i don't know I am not trying to instagate anything. Thanks
roggae said:the reason tis whole thread started is because i heard a podcast about it.
here is a link to that podcast:
February 8, 2007 - Brewing Organic
Amelia Slayton from Seven Bridges Cooperative in Santa Cruz, California tells us about brewing with organic ingredients and why we should try it.
http://www.basicbrewing.com/radio/
anyway i was thinking of brewing a HUGE IIPA organically...any thoughts?
abracadabra said:Why? taste, health reasons, environmental concern
All of the above
Just wondering what your reason is as I was interested too. Mainly because I had been led to believe that farmers use a very large amount of pesticides on grains.
roggae said:i just think it is a god idea to be able to tell people where every component in your beer came from and how it was grown/harvested. i'm a neo-hippie!:rockin:
Pre-comment buffer: I'm not being argumentative, just curious!zoebisch01 said:...that travels 2,000 miles before it reaches the consumer Organic.
zoebisch01 said:. The entire 'Organic' movement has become little more than a commercial movement. .
abracadabra said:There was a fantastic piece in the Wall St. Journal 1/16/07 about where buying organic made sense and where it did not. I'd post it but I'm afraid the B------d's would sue me for copyright infringement. They'll sell it for some absurd price.
Enviromental concern: That's a matter of conscience
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