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I am semi new to brewing and have a question.... I have a Pale Ale in Primary right now and I am going to rack it to Secondary this weekend but I have to go out of town unexpectedly for work for three weeks. What effects/problems might I have leaving the Ale in secondary for an exteneded period of time ie. 2-3 Weeks. Thanks for all input and experiences!
 
I would say forget about using a secondary all together unless you are dry hopping or adding fruit or something. Leave it on the yeast cake and don't worry. Only good things will happen, like clearing of your beer, the yeast cleaning up any off flavors they created during the ferment. If you do use the secondary , again nothing bad will happen if you leave it.
 
i think you'll find the consensus here says leave it in primary if you're going to leave it... "extended times" like 2-3 weeks will be fine in primary or clarifying.
 
That's the point of secondaries, to store beer for long periods of time. But we've gotten away from using secondaries, and many are opting for long primaries instead. I leave all my beers in primary for a month, the bottle. Most of us who do it find our beers are vastly improved due to prolonged yeast contact- are beers are clearer and taste better than when we seondaried.


Fermenting the beer is just a part of what the yeast do. If you leave the beer alone, they will go back and clean up the byproducts of fermentation that often lead to off flavors. That's why many brewers skip secondary and leave our beers alone in primary for a month. It leaves plenty of time for the yeast to ferment, clean up after themselves and then fall out, leaving our beers crystal clear, with a tight yeast cake.

This is the latest recommendation, it is the same one many of us have been giving for several years on here.

John Palmer said:
Tom from Michigan asks:
I have a few questions about secondary fermentations. I've read both pros and cons for 2nd fermentations and it is driving me crazy what to do. One, are they necessary for lower Gravity beers?
Two, what is the dividing line between low gravity and high gravity beers? Is it 1.060 and higher?
Three, I have an American Brown Ale in the primary right now, a SG of 1.058, Should I secondary ferment this or not?
Your advice is appreciated, thanks for all you do!

Allen from New York asks:

John, please talk about why or why not you would NOT use a secondary fermenter (bright tank?) and why or why not a primary only fermentation is a good idea. In other words, give some clarification or reason why primary only is fine, versus the old theory of primary then secondary normal gravity ale fermentations.

Palmer answers:

These are good questions – When and why would you need to use a secondary fermenter? First some background – I used to recommend racking a beer to a secondary fermenter. My recommendation was based on the premise that (20 years ago) larger (higher gravity) beers took longer to ferment completely, and that getting the beer off the yeast reduced the risk of yeast autolysis (ie., meaty or rubbery off-flavors) and it allowed more time for flocculation and clarification, reducing the amount of yeast and trub carryover to the bottle. Twenty years ago, a homebrewed beer typically had better flavor, or perhaps less risk of off-flavors, if it was racked off the trub and clarified before bottling. Today that is not the case.

The risk inherent to any beer transfer, whether it is fermenter-to-fermenter or fermenter-to-bottles, is oxidation and staling. Any oxygen exposure after fermentation will lead to staling, and the more exposure, and the warmer the storage temperature, the faster the beer will go stale.

Racking to a secondary fermenter used to be recommended because staling was simply a fact of life – like death and taxes. But the risk of autolysis was real and worth avoiding – like cholera. In other words, you know you are going to die eventually, but death by cholera is worth avoiding.

But then modern medicine appeared, or in our case, better yeast and better yeast-handling information. Suddenly, death by autolysis is rare for a beer because of two factors: the freshness and health of the yeast being pitched has drastically improved, and proper pitching rates are better understood. The yeast no longer drop dead and burst like Mr. Creosote from Monty Python’s The Meaning of Life when fermentation is complete – they are able to hibernate and wait for the next fermentation to come around. The beer has time to clarify in the primary fermenter without generating off-flavors. With autolysis no longer a concern, staling becomes the main problem. The shelf life of a beer can be greatly enhanced by avoiding oxygen exposure and storing the beer cold (after it has had time to carbonate).

Therefore I, and Jamil and White Labs and Wyeast Labs, do not recommend racking to a secondary fermenter for ANY ale, except when conducting an actual second fermentation, such as adding fruit or souring. Racking to prevent autolysis is not necessary, and therefore the risk of oxidation is completely avoidable. Even lagers do not require racking to a second fermenter before lagering. With the right pitching rate, using fresh healthy yeast, and proper aeration of the wort prior to pitching, the fermentation of the beer will be complete within 3-8 days (bigger = longer). This time period includes the secondary or conditioning phase of fermentation when the yeast clean up acetaldehyde and diacetyl. The real purpose of lagering a beer is to use the colder temperatures to encourage the yeast to flocculate and promote the precipitation and sedimentation of microparticles and haze.

So, the new rule of thumb: don’t rack a beer to a secondary, ever, unless you are going to conduct a secondary fermentation.

THIS is where the latest discussion and all your questions answered.
We have multiple threads about this all over the place, like this one,so we really don't need to go over it again, all the info you need is here;

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f163/secondary-not-john-palmer-jamil-zainasheff-weigh-176837/

We basically proved that old theory wrong on here 5 years ago, and now the rest fo the brewing community is catching up. Though a lot of old dogs don't tend to follow the latest news, and perpetuate the old stuff.

The autolysis from prolong yeast contact has fallen by the wayside, in fact yeast contact is now seen as a good thing.

All my beers sit a minimum of 1 month in the primary. And I recently bottled a beer that sat in primary for 5.5 months with no ill effects.....

You'll find that more and more recipes these days do not advocate moving to a secondary at all, but mention primary for a month, which is starting to reflect the shift in brewing culture that has occurred in the last 4 years, MOSTLY because of many of us on here, skipping secondary, opting for longer primaries, and writing about it. Recipes in BYO have begun stating that in their magazine. I remember the "scandal" it caused i the letters to the editor's section a month later, it was just like how it was here when we began discussing it, except a lot more civil than it was here. But after the Byo/Basic brewing experiment, they started reflecting it in their recipes.

Since you're going away it's the perfect thing to do....just leave the beer alone til you get back, then bottle.

:mug:
 
how long has it been in primary so far?

i wouldnt worry about it unless it has been in primary for more than a month and a half.
 
Thanks for the great info! I think I will move away from the secondry unless I dry hop or add fruit. Its has been in primary for only a week so perfect i am excited to leave it in primary and see my results!! Reevy that article you posted was extremely informative i agree that transfering more then needed just creates un-needed risk for contamination!
Thanks everyone!
 
If a recipe calls for dry hopping, is it recommended to use a secondary or just dry hop right in the primary? I brewed Saturday night and wasn't sure which way to go once fermentation was complete. Thanks.
 
I have never done a secondary. I don't see the point unless you will be aging for more than 1 to 2 months but hey the longer it sits the better in most cases so I would say don't sweat it!
 
i dry hop in primary, but only after fermentation is 99% done, fwiw.

i do rack to secondary on occasion, but not for fermenting - only if i want to clarify something or aging.
 
What type of vessel are folks using when you leave the brew in the primary for a month? A plastic bucket or glass carboy?
 
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