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CidahMastah

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ORDER CLOSED

OK here is the deal:

1. Need 84 sacks to order.
2. People would have to come and pick up their bags at the drop off location (near Syracuse, NY).
3. Payment will be done through paypal, and will be required up front, once the order is secured.
4. Individuals who do not pay within two weeks will forfeit their right to their grain purchase and will not be allowed to participate in the grain buys until further notice.


We buy directly through NCM - this means that we will get true wholesale bulk pricing!
~$30 2Row + shipping (~$4-6)
~$40 Marris Otter + shipping (~$4-6)

To see the catalog, go to:http://www.countrymaltgroup.com/download.asp?f=f6
The password is "greatmalt".

Use 4000#+ pricing


Pricing
For pricing, this is an estimate. Plan for about $4-6 per bag for shipping cost and (no tax) on your portion of the order. The prices should be pretty darn close but may vary slightly.

I will keep track and let you know roughly what you are in for $$wise.

NEW PAYMENT OPTIONS

For this buy we will be using two online payment services and will also allow mailed certified checks for payment. However, WE ARE NO LONGER USING PAYPAL FOR PAYMENTS UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTIFIED

Payment option 1 (online payment):

AMAZON- https://payments.amazon.com/sdui/sdui/personal/money.

1. Set up the payment ability on your amazon.com account (follow links instructions)
2. I will provide you my email address for payment.
3. Once you send payment PM or post on the forum to let me know how you paid.

CHASE(https://www.chase.com/online/services/quickpay.htm).

1. Set up the payment ability on your chase checking account (follow links instructions). If you don't have a chase checking account it will cost you a fee to send money.
2. I will provide you my email address for payment.
3. Once you send payment PM or post on the forum to let me know how you paid.

Payment option 2 (snail mail payment):

1. Once the order pricing is confirmed you send a certified check or money order.
2. No personal checks unless they are cleared with me - they delay the order placing by 3-5 days

Payments will be collected once we have secured 84 bags (or we decide to process an order with less). If you have any issues with the payment methods please PM me. If you do not make payment within 2 weeks from the time actual pricing is provided you forfeit your right to buy your grain and to participate in the Syracuse grain buys until further notice. Not trying to be a jerk, but seriously, if you can't make payment within 2 weeks then don't participate. It slows down the order and it is detrimental to the group.

After that, CidahMastah takes over and handles out the delivery end of things, which will be at his home address unless otherwise noted (if you know a place of business that we could have the shipment delivered to that has a loading dock PM CidahMastah). CidahMastah will keep us all updated on when it is to arrive, when you should show up to get it, and all that jazz. You, as the buyer, are responsible for picking up your grain or for making arrangements for someone else to pick up and hold your grain for you.

FOR SPLIT SACKS: Work out the details with your partners. Bring something to put your share in, weigh it out on site, and take your portion. Or, one of you picks up the whole sack and deal with the splitting on your own time. Whatever. That's your decision to make with your splitting partners.

For reference: a 5 gallon bucket, depending on the type of grain, will just about hold half of a 55 lb sack.

Thanks!
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ROUND 5 - ORDER CLOSED- 9/1/2011


New Order has opened up (ROUND 5). I will award people their place in the order by the time frame that they contacted me. If we get to two pallets, we get a discount on shipping.

CURRENT STATUS:

1. (COMPLETED) Collected 64 sacks of grain​
2. (COMPLETED)Our request for quote (RFQ) has been made​
3. (COMPLETED)We hear back from the buyer on actual cost (COMPLETED) I pass out the actual cost to everyone​
4. (PENDING)Everybody pays up (the order will NOT ship until everyone has paid via the approved payment methods listed)​
5. (PENDING)Once payed up (following the paypal instructions on page one of this thread) - the order will ship.​
6. (PENDING) CidahMastah will let everyone know when the shipment is to arrive (PENDING) and where it is shipping to (PENDING) , when to pick it up(PENDING) .​
7. (PENDING)We all slap high five and say job well done.​

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Status
Total Bags = 66 Need at least 57


Buffalo Brewer - TF-MOPA x1
Buffalo Brewer - BZ-PILS x1
Buffalo Brewer - CM-2ROW x1
CBK - CM-2ROW x1
CBK - TF-MOPA x1
Cidahmastah - TF-MOPA x1
Cidahmastah - BD-MOPA x1
Cidahmastah - BZ-PILS x1
Rustbucket - CM-2ROW x2
Rustbucket - GW-VIEN x1
rustbucket - BD - PALE x 1
rustbucket - BD - MOPA x 1
drocu - CM-2ROW x 1
Stunsm - CM-2ROW x 2
Stunsm - BD-MOPA x 1
Stunsm - TF-MOPA x 1
Twogunz - BZ-VIEN x 1
Twogunz - BD-MOPA x 1
Buffalo Brewr:
Jason - BD-MOPA x 1
Andy U - BD-MOPA x 1
Andy U - CM-2ROW x 1
Matt - BD-MOPA x 1
Matt - CM-2ROW x 1
Jeff - BZ-MUNH x 1
Jeff - BZ-VIEN x 1
Kate - CM-2ROW x 1
JeffB418 - BD-MOPA x2
JeffB418 - TF-OPTC x1
JeffB418 - CM-2ROW x2
JeffB418 - CM‐MUNH x 1
jbsengineer - 1 x GW-PALE
jbsengineer - 1 x CM-2ROW
jbsengineer - 1 x BZ-PILS
Smashing - 2 x CM-2ROW
Mparsons327 - 6 x CM-2ROW
Copyright1977 - BD-VIEN
gergelgat x 2 CM-2ROW


Completed Splits:
1. GW-C60 - 1/3 (CidahMastah, copyright1997, CBK)
2. GW-C15 - 1/3 (CidahMastah, copyright1997, rustbucket)
3. BD-VIEN - 1/2 (JeffB418, buffalo brewer)
4. TF-RSTB - 1/3 (rustbucket, cidahmastah, bierhaus15)
5. TF-PCHO Pale Choc 1/3 (bierhaus15 [.33] , rustbucket [.33], Drocu [.11], jhenderson [.11], copyright1977 [.11])
6. GW-C40 - 1/3 (Copyright1997, rustbucket, drocu)
7. GP-FLWHT - 1/3 (jhenderson27, twogunz, Copyright1997)
8. TF-BRWN Brown Malt 1/3 (bierhaus15, cidahmastah, twogunz[.165], jhenderson27[.165]
9. TF-RSTB - 1/3 (twogunz [.47], drocu [.33], jhenderson [.20])
10. BZ-CRPL - 1/3 Caramel Malt Pils (Copyright1997, drocu Mparsons327)
11. BZ-ARO - aromatic malt - 1/4 (CidahMastah [.25], copyright1997[.25], twogunz[.25], jhenderson27[.125]; Smashing [.125])
12. GP‐FLCRN 1/4 (Copyright1977, jhenderson, cidahmastah, jeffb418)
13. CM-RYEM - 1/3 (twogunz[.33], copyright1977[.33], cidahmastah [.165], rustbucket[.165])
14. FB-CHOC - 1/3 (rustbucket, drocu, smashing)
15. GW-C60 - 1/2 (Smashing, drocu)
16. CM-WHET - .5 (Copyright1997, JeffB418)
17. GP‐FLRCE 1/4 (Copyright1977 [.5], jhenderson [.25], cidahmastah [.25])
18. TF-AMBR - 1/3 (Mparsons327, CBK, copyright)


Cleaning Supplies:
1. (5S-STAR4) 4 x 1 gallon case $118 (Cidahmastah, CBK, Buffalo Brewer, Copyright)
2. (5S-PBW50) 50 pound pail $125 (CidahMastah, Buffalobrewer, Copyright, drocu, Jhenderson, Jeffb418, jbsengineer )
3. (5S-STAR4) 4 x 1 gallon case $118 (Jhenderson, drocu, twogunz, jbsengineer)



REQUESTED SPLITS:
1. GP-FLBR - 1/3 (Rustbucket) - needs 2 *would consider 1/4*

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lbs and oz for pick up chart:
Buyer Item Quantity Bag Weight Share Total
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CidahMastah TF-MOPA 1 55 55lbs
CidahMastah BZ-PILS 1 55 55lbs
CidahMastah GW-C60 0.334 50 16.5lbs
CidahMastah GW-C15 0.334 50 16.5lbs
CidahMastah TF-RSTB 0.334 55 18lbs 5oz
CidahMastah TF-BRWN 0.334 55 18lbs 5oz
CidahMastah BZ-ARO 0.25 55 13lbs 12oz
CidahMastah GP-FLCRN 0.25 50 12lbs 8oz
CidahMastah BD-MOPA 1 55 55lbs
CidahMastah CM-RYEM 0.165 55 9lbs 1 oz
CidahMastah GP-FLRCE 0.25 55 13lbs 12oz
CidahMastah StarSan 1 Gallon Jug
CidahMastah PBW 7lbs 2oz
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Buffalo Brewer TF-MOPA 1 55 55lbs
Buffalo Brewer BZ-PILS 1 55 55lbs
Buffalo Brewer CM-2ROW 1 55 55lbs
Buffalo Brewer BD-VIEN 0.5 55 27.5lbs
Buffalo Brewer - Jason BD-MOPA 1 55 55lbs
Buffalo Brewer - Andy CM-2ROW 1 55 55lbs
Buffalo Brewer - Andy BD-MOPA 1 55 55lbs
Buffalo Brewer - Matt BD-MOPA 1 55 55lbs
Buffalo Brewer - Matt CM-2ROW 1 55 55lbs
Buffalo Brewer - Jeff BZ-MUNH 1 55 55lbs
Buffalo Brewer - Jeff BZ-VIEN 1 55 55lbs
Buffalo Brewer - Kate CM-2ROW 1 55 55lbs
Buffalo Brewer StarSan 1 Gallon Jug
Buffalo Brewer PBW 7lbs 2oz
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Bierhaus15 TF-PCHO 0.334 55 18lbs 5oz
Bierhaus15 TF-RSTB 0.334 55 18lbs 5oz
Bierhaus15 TF-BRWN 0.334 55 18lbs 5oz
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jhenderson27 GP-FLWHT 0.334 55 18lbs 5oz
jhenderson27 TF-RSTB 0.2 55 11lbs
jhenderson27 BZ-ARO 0.125 55 6lbs 14oz
jhenderson27 GP-FLCRN 0.25 50 12lbs 8oz
jhenderson27 TF-PCHO 0.114 55 6lbs 4oz
jhenderson27 TF-BRWN 0.165 55 9lbs 1 oz
jhenderson27 GP-FLRCE 0.25 55 13lbs 12oz
jhenderson27 PBW 7lbs 2oz
jhenderson 27 StarSan 1 Gallon Jug
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copyright1997 GW-C60 0.334 50 16.5lbs
copyright1997 GW-C15 0.334 50 16.5lbs
copyright1997 BZ-VIEN 1 55 55lbs
copyright1997 GW-C40 0.334 50 16.5lbs
copyright1997 BZ-CRPL 0.334 55 18lbs 5oz
copyright1997 GP-FLWHT 0.334 55 18lbs 5oz
copyright1997 BZ-ARO 0.25 55 13lbs 12oz
copyright1997 GP-FLCRN 0.25 50 12lbs 8oz
copyright1997 TF-PCHO 0.114 55 6lbs 4oz
copyright1997 CM-RYEM 0.334 55 18lbs 5oz
copyright1997 GP-FLRCE 0.5 55 27.5lbs
copyright1997 CM-WHET 0.5 55 27.5lbs
copyright1997 TF-AMBR 0.334 55 18lbs 5oz
copyright1997 StarSan 1 Gallon Jug
copyright1997 PBW 7lbs 2oz
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CBK CM-2ROW 1 55 55lbs
CBK TF-MOPA 1 55 55lbs
CBK GW-C60 0.334 50 16.5lbs
CBK TF-AMBR 0.334 55 18lbs 5oz
CBK StarSan 1 Gallon Jug
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rustbucket CM-2ROW 2 55 110lbs
rustbucket GW-VIEN 1 50 50lbs
rustbucket BD-PALE 1 55 55lbs
rustbucket BD-MOPA 1 55 55lbs
rustbucket GW-C15 0.334 50 16.5lbs
rustbucket TF-RSTB 0.334 55 18lbs 5oz
rustbucket TF-PCHO 0.334 55 18lbs 5oz
rustbucket GW-C40 0.334 50 16.5lbs
rustbucket FB-CHOC 0.334 55 18lbs 5oz
rustbucket CM-RYEM 0.165 55 9lbs 1 oz
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TwoGunz TF-BRWN 0.165 55 9lbs 1 oz
TwoGunz BD-VIEN 1 55 55lbs
TwoGunz BD-MOPA 1 55 55lbs
TwoGunz TF-RSTB 0.47 55 25lbs 13oz
TwoGunz GP-FLWHT 0.334 55 18lbs 5oz
TwoGunz BZ-ARO 0.25 55 13lbs 12oz
TwoGunz CM-RYEM 0.334 55 18lbs 5oz
Twogunz StarSan 1 Gallon Jug
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drocu CM-2ROW 1 55 55lbs
drocu TF-RSTB 0.334 55 18lbs 5oz
drocu GW-C40 0.334 50 16.5lbs
drocu BZ-CRPL 0.334 55 18lbs 5oz
drocu TF-PCHO 0.114 55 6lbs 4oz
drocu FB-CHOC 0.334 55 18lbs 5oz
drocu GW-C60 0.5 50 25lbs
drocu PBW 7lbs 2oz
Drocu StarSan 1 Gallon Jug
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Stunsm CM-2ROW 2 55 110lbs
Stunsm BD-MOPA 1 55 55lbs
Stunsm TF-MOPA 1 55 55lbs
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JeffB418 BD-MOPA 2 55 110lbs
JeffB418 TF-OPTC 1 55 55lbs
JeffB418 BZ-MUNH 1 55 55lbs
JeffB418 CM-2ROW 2 55 110lbs
JeffB418 BD-VIEN 0.5 55 27.5lbs
JeffB418 GP-FLCRN 0.25 50 12lbs 8oz
JeffB419 CM-WHET 0.5 55 27.5lbs
JeffB418 PBW 7lbs 2oz
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jbsengineer GW-PALE 1 50 50lbs
jbsengineer CM-2ROW 1 55 55lbs
jbsengineer BZ-PILS 1 55 55lbs
jbsengineer PBW 7lbs 2oz
jbsengineer StarSan 1 Gallon Jug
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Smashing CM-2ROW 2 55 110lbs
Smashing BZ-ARO 0.125 55 6lbs 14oz
Smashing FB-CHOC 0.334 55 18lbs 5oz
Smashing GW-C60 0.5 50 25lbs
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Mparsons327 CM-2ROW 6 55 330lbs
Mparsons327 BZ-CRPL 0.334 55 18lbs 5oz
Mparsons327 TF-AMBR 0.334 55 18lbs 5oz
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gergelgat CM-2ROW 2 55 110lbs
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A few notes about this order:

There are a few caveats to this buy.

  • I will keep track of ordering details and payment.
  • Ordering might be delayed/postponed if I am unable to receive and process the order (winter, hectic schedule, etc.) I have a lot going on through late September and all of October (Hint - someone might need to volunteer to accept the grain to make this order go through before winter).
  • Someone can offer up support of the grain order by deciding to accept the pallet load at their house or at a business address.
  • No Briess Grain Products are available to homebrewers
 
Hops and DME/LME

It looks like DME and LME are available but only in 50lb DME and 60lb LME quantities.

BR-PL-D50 - Briess Light DME - 50 lbs = $98.00
BR-PL-L60 - Briess Light LME - 60 lbs = $73.00

Hops are available, however the pricing isn't that great IMO. Also, they frequently don't have hops in stock in the small bags. So you can request hops, but they might not have spot pricing and availability on them. If you have any questions, please let me know.

Hops.jpg
 
Depending on if people can. I can probably have this deliver yo my raceshop. I have the room, just it will be in Canandaigua. 45 min from Cidah.
 
Depending on if people can. I can probably have this deliver yo my raceshop. I have the room, just it will be in Canandaigua. 45 min from Cidah.

I personally would be ok with that. We can always run grain back and comp gas and travel costs to the driver. Thanks for the quasi offering! that might get a bunch of rotchester people interested!
 
Status
Total Bags = 0





Completed Splits:
ex.
1. CM-WHET - 1/2 (Bob, Biff)


B]REQUESTED SPLITS:[/B]

1. BZ-ARO - aromatic malt - 1/4 (CidahMastah) - Needs 3
2. GW-C60 - 1/3 (CidahMastah) - Needs 2
3. GW-C15 - 1/3 (CidahMastah) - Needs 2







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Items below are from the last grain buy that did not get completed. If you want your Split listed then please post your interest
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Unfinished Business From the last buy
copyright1997 BD-Vien x 1
BrewWein CM-RYEM x 1
drmark50 few sacks and splits

1. BZ-ARO - aromatic malt - 1/4 (CidahMastah, copyright, TwoGunz) - Needs 1
2. GW-C40 - 1/3 (copyright1997) - Needs 2
3. GW C60 - 1/3 (copyright1997) - Needs 2
4. BD-RSTB - Roasted barley 1/3 (TwoGunz) - Needs 2
5. GW-C15 - 1/3 (kzhusker 1/3, copyright1997 2/3)

I will go in on the 1/4 BZ-ARO, and 1/3 GW-C15 and 1/3 GW-C60. I would also like to do a new split on the BD-VIEN where I would go 1/3 or 1/2 (or whatever works, just want to get some to try).

45 minutes closer to Albany obviously works better than 45 minutes further away, but I'm sure something can be worked out!

Cidah, you can't get enough of this...last group buy just finished! (I was going to ask last week about the next group buy, but thought you might throw barley at me all the way to Albany!)
 
i might be in again for some after this weekend, my buddy wants to start all grain much more.. so ill see if he would like any at the moment.

right now i might be looking to split (rolled barley and some various other things)
 
and some buffalonians.....

I went to UB, so buffalonians are welcome as long as they bring some wings from duffs!

copyright - I know my wife was ready to wring my neck! I know quite a few folks missed out that pmed me so I felt bad that they missed. I mean, I am just getting little here and there stuff, I won't need MO, 2ROW, or any base malts until after the winter. I know I likely won't be able to accept this order on account of personal vacations, weddings, events etc. However if we can get a stagin floor everyone can benefit.

As for the pick up location, keep in mind that... if people are smart we can coordinate a day to send one person to grab some grain and head east or west to a pick up point. I think that coordination is well worth it in the end, and people can stock up for the winter, cause we likely won't do a buy until spring after this one!
 
I notified the local homebrew club about this grain buy with a possible Canandaigua pickup point. Hopefully this may spark some interest here in Rochester. If this does happen I will go for 1/3 GW-C60. Probably will also need more base malt but do not want to commit until I see where this is going.
 
So jhenderson, when you confirm your ability to accept the order, please let me know and we will firm it up.

If you aren't sure about your participation, please don't post a request until you are sure. suffice it to say at this point it looks like it might be Canandaigua area.
 
Does anyone from up north ever get in on these buys? I am in Watertown and might be interested but unless I bought a lot I don't think I save much unless I could split the cost of gas with someone to drive to Canadaigua.
 
Cidah shouldnt be an issue but lets see the timing of this closing vs the closing of race season for me. I dont think this one will go all that fast so we should be good.
 
Yeah I think this will take a bit to get going, but if jhenderson can receive we should be good to go.

So everybody feel free to place your bets and I will track. Plan on pick up with jhenderson. If we run into issues we can resolve them before we place the actual order.
 
btw i had a brew day from hell on sunday!

1st started to show my friend the ropes and basically guided him through the process trying to get him to do it on his own with little help... i was not paying attention so when i had him grind up the grain.. it was the bucket full of rye (and only rye, not the mixed bucket that i had waiting) sadly to my knowlege i was not paying attention and started to mash with that... once the mash time finished i was trying to sparge, and it was coming out like syrup.. trying to figure out that, i came to realized after a little investigation that is was pure rye w/ 1/2 lb of rice hulls :p in the tun. so that had gotten thrown out in the compost, it was so thick i couldnt use it (killed like 16lbs of rye, even added 4 gallons to the mash to thin it up after, and was still like syrup)

2nd broke hydrometer right after measuring the gravity of the final brew (which i missed the pts by a good 6)

3rd was cleaning out the kettle, and caught my finger on the lip where i had cut the top of the keg off, sliced the tip of my thumb a good 1/4" deep from the tip into the nail straight up and down..

that was not a good day over all... a 4 hour brew turned into a 8 hour one... with only 5.5g of denny's rye ipa
 
btw i had a brew day from hell on sunday!

1st started to show my friend the ropes and basically guided him through the process trying to get him to do it on his own with little help... i was not paying attention so when i had him grind up the grain.. it was the bucket full of rye (and only rye, not the mixed bucket that i had waiting) sadly to my knowlege i was not paying attention and started to mash with that... once the mash time finished i was trying to sparge, and it was coming out like syrup.. trying to figure out that, i came to realized after a little investigation that is was pure rye w/ 1/2 lb of rice hulls :p in the tun. so that had gotten thrown out in the compost, it was so thick i couldnt use it (killed like 16lbs of rye, even added 4 gallons to the mash to thin it up after, and was still like syrup)

2nd broke hydrometer right after measuring the gravity of the final brew (which i missed the pts by a good 6)

3rd was cleaning out the kettle, and caught my finger on the lip where i had cut the top of the keg off, sliced the tip of my thumb a good 1/4" deep from the tip into the nail straight up and down..

that was not a good day over all... a 4 hour brew turned into a 8 hour one... with only 5.5g of denny's rye ipa

Not good man! That is why I want to get a brew single or double tier rig going. Just to simplify the day. The electric already does that quite a bit, but I would LOVE to brew inside this year in my basement.

if it makes you feel any better I screwed up the last Denny's brew as awell, though I think I fixed it. My buddy missed the FWH and I didn't notice until the next day. Basically I brewed a 1/12 batch to get that bittering in there!! We will see if it worked!
 
I updated. keep in mind the status will be posted and updated on post number 2

would anybody be interested in starsan splits? there are a couple listed, I was thinking about being so bold as to grabbing a gallon of the stuff in a 4 way split. 1 gallon each. However they have a smaller amount available. Just curious if anybody was interested in THAT much starsan.

Star San
(5S-STAR - 32 ounce) 32 ounce bottle $12 (48 a gallon)
(5S-STAR4) 4 x 1 gallon case $118 (29.5 a gallon)

I added it to the splits. I am not 100 percent we can get this, but I think we can. That would be $0.23 per 5g bucket use. Hard to pass up for me ;)
 
$29.50 for a gallon of starsan is hard to pass up. Put me down for one.
 
Does anyone from up north ever get in on these buys? I am in Watertown and might be interested but unless I bought a lot I don't think I save much unless I could split the cost of gas with someone to drive to Canadaigua.

BWN...I might be...I am just east of you in Evans Mills, I am not 100% ready to do all grain yet but getting closer..going to work this winter on my all electric HERMS system..I have a six tap system...and want to have better options for more types of beer...I will look at the site to see what I might be interested in and let you know.

:mug:
 
OK one last plug. I am looking at the PBW in a 50 lb pale: (5S-PBW50) 50 pound pail $125. That is about 13 cents an oz.

I suggest that we see if there are at least 5 people interested for 10lbs each. If more people are interested we can divide up the amount if that is ok with all the participants. i.e. 8 people interested = 50 lbs / 8 = 6.25lbs each.

I personally wouldn't want to split it down to less than 5lbs each, but would be willing to go up to 10 lbs. i.e. if you jump on the split, you must be willing to take at least 10 lbs to close the split with 5 participants.

I updated post 2



WAORGANY - you must be spending a fortune on extract keeping all those taps running :D Come to the darkside of AG ha!
 
WAORGANY - you must be spending a fortune on extract keeping all those taps running :D Come to the darkside of AG ha!

It makes an amazing price difference doing AG with bulk purchases. For instance, I did a slightly reduced SNPA clone batch (4 gals) as I can't do a full boil of a 5 gallon batch (6+ gallon pre-wort volume) on my electric stove. Anyway, using grains from the group purchase and hops I bought @.79/oz, some crystal 60 and us-05 yeast bought at my lhbs, my ingredient cost was a whopping $11.52. That can be reduced even further by reusing yeast, as the yeast was $3.78 of the $11.52!

[I'm not trying to cheap out on the beer, but am interested in a weird sort of way in understanding how one can make good tasting beer at a minimal per-oz cost.]
 
cidah, i hvae a question for you. im hijacking the thread for a moment

ok i picked up the wyeast cider strain.. do i need to make a starter with that? and if so how do i do that? with apple juice?

Plus for when i get everythign ready, what gravity am i shooting for? so that its similar to the one you had on tap... (4-6%) the lower side, i know you said that i could shoot high and dilute, but i thought what is the best gravity that you would recommend in case i have to add sugar or anything.
 
It makes an amazing price difference doing AG with bulk purchases. For instance, I did a slightly reduced SNPA clone batch (4 gals) as I can't do a full boil of a 5 gallon batch (6+ gallon pre-wort volume) on my electric stove. Anyway, using grains from the group purchase and hops I bought @.79/oz, some crystal 60 and us-05 yeast bought at my lhbs, my ingredient cost was a whopping $11.52. That can be reduced even further by reusing yeast, as the yeast was $3.78 of the $11.52!

[I'm not trying to cheap out on the beer, but am interested in a weird sort of way in understanding how one can make good tasting beer at a minimal per-oz cost.]

I am all about cutting cost down. Saving yeast by washing is something I do, and I save big time bucks doing it. Have you read the sticky on it? I usually do 11g batches, then take that yeast and wash it dividing it into 4 quart jars. When washed this is nearly all good yeast, I estimate 85% viability for pitching. Anyway, that usually equates to 1qt washed yeast = 1 11g batch. So I get 4 more batches. Then I wash again for usually a total of 3-4 generations. So I buy 1 vial, step it up with extra wort from AG brews for 1st pitching; gen 1 = get 4 qts; gen 2 = 4 more qts; gen 3 = 4 more qts; gen 4 = 4 more qts.

As you can see based on washing, yeast costs me virtually nothing per batch by the time I am done. After 3-4 generations I restart the process again.

My brews haven't suffered from washing the yeast at all.

If I paid $1 per 12oz brew, I would be able to rationalize my time spent at all. Don't get me wrong, I want awesome brew. But I want to save coin as well. BTW: Right now I estimate about 15-36cents for simple to ultra hopped IPAs with high ABV for grain and hops per brew.
 
cidah, i hvae a question for you. im hijacking the thread for a moment

ok i picked up the wyeast cider strain.. do i need to make a starter with that? and if so how do i do that? with apple juice?

Plus for when i get everythign ready, what gravity am i shooting for? so that its similar to the one you had on tap... (4-6%) the lower side, i know you said that i could shoot high and dilute, but i thought what is the best gravity that you would recommend in case i have to add sugar or anything.

Hey Rust,

You can make a starter just like you would for beer (use frozen concentrated AJ if you want). However if you are doing 5 gallons you would be fine with the wyeast cider package if your cider is moderate ABV (6-9%). Heck it would even work well if you had 13% cider but I would make a starter just to reduce and unwanted phenols.

If you are doing draft cider I would shoot for 5-9% depending on your desired ABV (I think we discussed ~5% - I wouldn't recc going any more than about 6.5% if you want it to be a tasty easy drinker).

Keep in mind if you back sweeten with concentrated cider you probably end up adding 1-2gallons or so depending on how sweet you want it. If you use canned AJ you will use about 6-8 cans per 5 gallon keg.

I would say shoot for getting about 2 mostly filled draft kegs out of your batch.

1. Shoot for ~9%
2. Split the 5g into 2.5 gallons each (two buckets) at draft cider making time.
3. Sorbate, then sweeten to taste with your sweetener (I like the double strong fresh pressed cider we discussed best, but froze AJ concentrate works in a pinch).
4. Add water/ malic acid If needed, if you want it softer/more tart.
5. Lastly sulfite and rack to your kegs.

You should end up with ~4 gallons of draft in each keg. Those ending volumes would give you an ABV of about 5.4% which is what you are roughly shooting for.
 
ok sounds good, thanks again for the advice!

what i will do more than likely is just buy an extra 2-3 gallons of cider and throw it in the freezer, i have extra space right now...

I cant remember what yous said about boosting the alc%, what is the best one for that you would recommend? table sugar/dextrose/ext/combination of sugars?

One last thing, i was looking through my stuff and i saw a bottle of acid blend for something i used along time ago... do you ever use this for the cider?

i started to look at presses and things last night.. how do you grind up your apples?, did you get your order in for your apples too?

then ill let you know more once i go get the cider soon.. (unless you want to spare some for me :p, jk)

sorry for picking your brain so much... I know most of this information is on here, but why look when you can go right to the source! :p
 
on another note

ill be adding a few things for the group buy either later today or tomorrow
some splits and full sacks (2-3 full ones and maybe 2 - 3 splits) i told my buddy and he wants to start brewing more badly epically since i told him to get in on this compared to the normal price you pay at LHBS
 
ok sounds good, thanks again for the advice!

what i will do more than likely is just buy an extra 2-3 gallons of cider and throw it in the freezer, i have extra space right now...

I cant remember what yous said about boosting the alc%, what is the best one for that you would recommend? table sugar/dextrose/ext/combination of sugars?

i started to look at presses and things last night.. how do you grind up your apples?, did you get your order in for your apples too?

is there a difference in the campdem tablets (the sodium vs potassium?)

then ill let you know more once i go get the cider soon.. (unless you want to spare some for me :p, jk)

I would grab the extra cider absolutely and freeze it. I would just use sucrose - i.e. table sugar - but it doesn't really matter if you have lots of dextrose use that. If you are a purest and want to spend the money, fructose (which is the sugar in cider).

You will ferment down to 1.000 either way, so you only need to sugar up to the value for 9% potential ABV (you will not have residual sugar). So put add sugar and stir, then use the hydrometer (make sure your temp is about 68F for accuracy with your hydrometer). I find the best way to do this is dump the cider into a bucket and sugar and stir, drop in hydrometer, add more, drop hydro. etc.

Keep in mind, as you add sugar your volume will increase, so don't start with cider to the rim of your bucket.

USE K-META (potassium metabisulfite). A chemist wine maker who lives on my street was telling me once that the NA-Meta is basically a toxic chemical and never to use it when K-meta does the same thing and is readily available. Most all cambden tablets are K-Meta.

I haven't gotten my apples yet, we are pressing 10/22 though I believe. I think we have about 60 people coming to that event, so I will let you know how much we press and if there is some left. I have to set up the apple buy in early Oct. However I did just harvest all my red delicious and we are eating those (about 1 bushel for eating) and have thrown about 3 bushels in the freezer for pressing when my Northern spys are ready.

For shredding the apples I bought an apple shredder very similar to this one:

http://www.pleasanthillgrain.com/fruit_press.aspx

mine was a different brand though (I can get you the name of it if you like). My neighbor gave me a motor and I hooked it up to a pulley and it is motorized. Can't believe that I didn't show you that! I was VERY lucky to find my press on craigslist. it seems like the ones they make now cost 4 times what I paid and are made out of very small hardware.
 
Have you read the sticky on it? I usually do 11g batches, then take that yeast and wash it dividing it into 4 quart jars.

I have read the sticky and also seen some you tube videos of people washing yeast. I've also read other discussions on just reusing yeast. I captured (into sterilized mason jars in my fridge) the yeast from my SNPA clone (last weekend) and was going to try reusing it tomorrow on a victory hop devil clone. I was originally going to brew last weekend but scored some local hops and have been busy all week drying and vacuum sealing them (almost done). So, tomorrow (hopefully) I will be able to give this a test. I have some us-05 in the refrigerator as backup if I don't see fermentation action after 24 hours or so.
 
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