TheJadedDog
AFK ATM
Porter
British IPA
Northern Brown
Ordinary Bitter
Scottish
ESB
British IPA
Northern Brown
Ordinary Bitter
Scottish
ESB
Breweries would tend to designate beers as pale ale, though customers would commonly refer to the same beers as bitter. It is thought that customers used the term bitter to differentiate these pale ales from other less noticeably hopped beers such as porter and mild. By the mid to late 20th century, while brewers were still labeling bottled beers as pale ale, they had begun identifying cask beers as bitter. While the two terms are still used interchangeably in the UK, the preference is for the term bitter to be used for both bottled and cask beer, and use of the term pale ale has declined, except in the case of India pale ale.
page 152 "Designing Great Beers" The BU:GU ratio for the styles are basically the same.
McMenamins Hammerhead
Bridgeport IPA
Full Sail Amber
Rogue Dead Guy
Rogue American
McMenamins Ruby
Grinder,
Having just come across this thread, and skimmed through it quickly, I think that one thing to keep in mind about Designing Great Beers, no matter how much everyone talks it up, no matter how great of a book it is, it is 12 years old, the most recent edition is almost 9 years old, and information changes in the beer world. Look at how dated Papazians book is at this point. I am not saying that it is not a fantastic resource, but I think that it is best used when you put it together with the most recent BJCP style guide.
That being said, I can't wait to get my hands on a copy of the book. I just listened to an interview with Ray Daniels recently, and the man sounds like he really knows his stuff.
Regarding your post, #46 in this thread, I applaud your willingness to admit that you might have come across wrong to others, and your desire to fix that. I think that we can all, to one degree or another, appreciate your obsessiveness. I don't think that any of us would be around here if we did not share it to some degree. I know that I drive my family, friends, co-workers, and especially my wife, insane with all my talking about beer. I can't help it, it is what I love and what I hunger to know more about.
Do not slink off into the crowd... what this group needs it active members, who work to not only expand their own knowledge, but that of others. Instead, strive to know when to ask a question, when to answer a question, and when to do a little of both. Some of the best answers that I have seen given on this forum start with a sentence similar to this "Well, I could be wrong, but what I have heard is that...". This not only attempts to answer the OP's question, but also shows that you are open to being educated yourself, if the knowledge that you have on the subject proves to be inaccurate or incomplete.
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