Quilters Irish Death Clone?

I've had a few of these beers now, only really available for those of us that live in WA....and I'm completely hooked! Would love to try and brew a clone, but haven't really found anything on the net, save for this:
http://www.bubbleheadbrewing.com/index.php?page=brewBlogDetail&filter=coreys&id=81

Anyone that's tried one of these have any ideas/comments/suggestions?
Thanks!

haha i used to date a girl out in ellensberg, and every time i was out there i would pick some up, i just happened to move right as they started shipping around the rest of washington.
Seeing as the Quilter's you'll commonly be buying is only 7.8 ABV, i think that this recipe you found would be for the original recipe by Jim Quilter, when he developed it as a Barleywine.
http://www.ironhorsebrewery.com/brews/irish-death/
Talks about it a lil on their under the comments.
Maybe if you took that recipe to a calculator and just toned it down to 7.8?
I sent the a letter a week or so ago asking if they had any tips towards making a clone of the Irish Death
If they write back hopefully it will be useful towards putting this recipe together!

Awesome! Ok, maybe I'll try to do that and drink...errr...I mean research...a bit more on it. Let me know if you ever hear anything from them!

I emailed iron horse and asked them if they would share the recipe and this is what they sent me back in reply. However I can't find any notes on the ibu's! I happened to save the yeast from a couple 22s I bought so yeast won't be a problem. I am going to toy with it and throw up a recipe any help would be great, I want to make this in the next week.

2 row, crystal 75, munich, caramel pilsen, flaked barley, chocolate, roasted barley, black patent malt. columbus, cascade, and mt hood hops.

biggben said:

2 row, crystal 75, munich, caramel pilsen, flaked barley, chocolate, roasted barley, black patent malt. columbus, cascade, and mt hood hops.

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Wow... good luck trying to clone that w/out more specifics

Irish Death

Batch size 5.5 gallons
Boil size 6.7 gallons
Boil time 60 minutes
Grain weight 17 pounds
Efficiency 75%
Original gravity 1.083
Final gravity 1.024
Alcohol (by volume) 7.7%
Bitterness (IBU) 35
Color (SRM) 34.5°L
Yeast
3 liquid packs
White Labs
WLP004 Irish Ale

Grains/Extracts/Sugars
17 pounds
2 Row Base
37ppg, 1.5°L 12 pounds
70.6%
CaraPils
33ppg, 1.5°L 1 pound
5.9%
Barley (Flaked)
32ppg, 2°L 1 pound
5.9%
Crystal 80L
34ppg, 80°L 1 pound
5.9%
Munich (Light)
34ppg, 10°L 1 pound
5.9%
Chocolate
29ppg, 350°L 0.5 pounds
2.9%
Black Patent
27ppg, 500°L 0.25 pounds
1.5%
Barley (Roasted)
28ppg, 500°L 0.25 pounds
1.5%

Hops
3 ounces
Cascade hops
6%, Whole 1 ounce
Columbus hops
13%, Whole 1 ounce
Mount Hood hops
5%, Whole 1 ounce

Mash
60 minutes, 9.4 gallons
Strike
Target 153°F 6.4 gallons
164°F
60 minutes (+0)
Sparge 3.0 gallons
167°F

Boil
60 minutes, 6.7 gallons
Columbus hops
13%, Whole 1 ounce
60 minutes (+0)
Cascade hops
6%, Whole 1 ounce
15 minutes (+45)
Mount Hood hops
5%, Whole 1 ounce
2 minutes (+58)

Ferment
14 days @ 65-68°F

Ok i have had enough of these beers to tell that its not that bitter and kinda smooth and not roasty. very well balanced not very hoppy at all. tell me what you think if this is balanced enough hops to grain?

That looks like a great recipe, but I can't figure out why Northwest hops would be used in an Irish ale recipe

Ya, I agree completely. Irish death isn't very hoppy, the smoothness/sweetness of malt is the gold star in this beer. I would prob take out a half oz of cascade that goes into the boil at 60min. Maybe decrease cascade .25oz also? That might be pushin it. The grain bill looks pretty nice though. Like bottlebomber said, its gonna be tough to clone this with just that info lol. I'm not the best at visualizing a brew by the recipe, but if it were me, I might add a little extra flaked barley to emphasize the silky feel of it. Let us know how it turns out, and what the recipe you did looks like! I'm pretty excited to see how this goes!

So how would you guys do the hop additions? Would you do 1 oz Columbus for 60 and maybe .5 cascade for 30 and 1 oz Mt hood for 10 mins? Or what give some ideas

I was thinking .5oz columbus for 60, .5-.75oz cascade for 30 (or 45?) and 1oz Mt hood for 10.

The biggest decrease should be in the hops that will be in the longest, since it's those hops that will be doing most of the bittering.

Ok so I got the grains and hops and today I am making the yeast starter with the yeast i collected from a couple 22s of irish death. i went ahead and changed the hops to .5oz columbus for 60mins, .75oz cascade for 30mins and 1oz Mt hood for 15mins. I know its a shot in the dark but i have plenty of time to tweak this recipe as brew it in the future and drink some really good beer in the process. who knows maybe it wont taste anything like it and i just make a kick ass recipe!

13E-Stout-American Stout

Minimum OG: 1.050 SG Maximum OG: 1.075 SG
Minimum FG: 1.010 SG Maximum FG: 1.022 SG
Minimum IBU: 35 IBU Maximum IBU: 75 IBU
Minimum Color: 30.0 SRM Maximum Color: 40.0 SRM


Recipe Overview
Wort Volume Before Boil: 10.67 l Wort Volume After Boil: 20.82 l
Volume Transferred: 20.82 l Water Added To Fermenter: 0.00 l
Volume At Pitching: 20.82 l Volume Of Finished Beer: 20.82 l
Expected Pre-Boil Gravity: 1.153 SG Expected OG: 1.079 SG
Expected FG: 1.020 SG Apparent Attenuation: 73.0 %
Expected ABV: 7.8 % Expected ABW: 6.1 %
Expected IBU (using Tinseth): 17.9 IBU Expected Color (using Morey): 32.5 SRM
BU:GU ratio: 0.23 Approx Color:
Mash Efficiency: 72.0 %
Boil Duration: 60.0 mins
Fermentation Temperature: 153 degF


Fermentables
Ingredient Amount % MCU When
US Pale Ale Malt 11lb 8oz 0.0 % 4.2 In Mash/Steeped
US Caramel 80L Malt 1lb 0oz 0.0 % 14.5 In Mash/Steeped
German Munich Malt 1lb 0oz 0.0 % 1.6 In Mash/Steeped
Extract - Traditional Dark Dried Extract 1lb 0oz 0.0 % 0.4 In Mash/Steeped
US Flaked Barley 1lb 0oz 0.0 % 0.3 In Mash/Steeped
US Chocolate Malt 8.00 oz 0.0 % 31.8 In Mash/Steeped
US Black Malt 4.00 oz 0.0 % 22.7 In Mash/Steeped
US Roasted Barley 4.00 oz 0.0 % 13.6 In Mash/Steeped


Hops
Variety Alpha Amount IBU Form When
US Columbus(Tomahawk) 14.0 % 0.50 oz 9.6 Loose Pellet Hops 60 Min From End
NZ Cascade 5.5 % 0.75 oz 4.3 Loose Pellet Hops 30 Min From End
US Mount Hood 6.0 % 1.00 oz 4.1 Loose Pellet Hops 15 Min From End


Other Ingredients
Ingredient Amount When
Malto-Dextrine 4.17 oz In Boil


Yeast
Wyeast 1084-Irish Ale


Water Profile
Target Profile: No Water Profile Chosen
Mash pH: 5.2
pH Adjusted with: Unadjusted

Total Calcium (ppm): 0 Total Magnesium (ppm): 0
Total Sodium (ppm): 0 Total Sulfate (ppm): 0
Total Chloride(ppm): 0 Total Bicarbonate (ppm): 0


Mash Schedule
Mash Type: Full Mash
Schedule Name: No Chosen Schedule

Step Type Temperature Duration


Recipe Notes
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this is the final recipe that i went with i will let you guys know how it turns out

So was drinking a bottle of this & I was wondering if perhaps they might have used some peated malt?

No just the grains listed above. iron horse brewery emailed me and told me what grains they use for it

ok so i got this in a 6 gal primary and the thing is going crazy! I have had to change the blow off water twice now and its sounds like an old coffee pot going off *gurgle gurgle*!!! anyways the yeast from the bottle is obviously doing the job it was set forth to do. i made a small yeast starter with the yeast in a couple 22s and kept upping the starter size till i had enough to pitch. my Attenuation might be more than i thought because i dont know what to expect with this yeast but i will let you know, for science

Bigben, I'm so glad you figured this out, Irish Death is my favorite stout/porters. It's on tap at several pubs around my neck of the woods, but I prefer to drink at home and usually buy the bombers from Albertsons. This is definitely in the future brews within the next few months. Thanks for researching this.

Well the research Is still going not sure what to expect from the yeast yet as I stole it from the Irish death bottles themselves. The grains are accurate but I am most likely going to have to brew a few batches to hone it down to an accurate grain bill. I will keep updating as a go so that others if they want can join in the research as well.

So I took a sample of it today and it tasted awesome can't wait to see how it turns out in the end. I changed the recipe a bit from the one posted though.

Ok so this is the final recipe that i went with and i will post it to a new recipe thread shortly so its not so hard to find, also i will be adding some pictures of it as soon as its finished bottle conditioning.


Irish Death

Batch size 5.5 gallons
Boil size 6.7 gallons
Boil time 60 minutes
Grain weight 16.5 pounds
Efficiency 75%
Original gravity 1.079
Final gravity 1.018
Alcohol (by volume) 8.1%
Bitterness (IBU) 35
Color (SRM) 34.4°L
Yeast
3 liquid packs
Wyeast
1084 Irish Ale (NOTE: I did not use this yeast I actually made a yeast starter from the yeast at the bottom of a 22 of irish death that i bought)

Grains/Extracts/Sugars
16.5 pounds
Pilsner
38ppg, 2°L 12.5 pounds
75.8%
CaraPils
33ppg, 1.5°L 1 pound
6.1%
Crystal 80L
34ppg, 80°L 1 pound
6.1%
Barley (Flaked)
32ppg, 2°L 1 pound
6.1%
Chocolate
29ppg, 350°L 0.5 pounds
3.0%
Black Patent
27ppg, 500°L 0.25 pounds
1.5%
Barley (Roasted)
28ppg, 500°L 0.25 pounds
1.5%

Hops
2.5 ounces
Cascade hops
6%, Whole 1 ounce
Columbus hops
13%, Whole 1 ounce
Mount Hood hops
5%, Whole 1 ounce

Mash
60 minutes, 8.8 gallons
Strike
Target 153°F 5.2 gallons
167°F
60 minutes (+0)
Sparge 3.7 gallons
185°F

Boil
60 minutes, 6.7 gallons
Columbus hops
13%, Whole 0.5 ounces
60 minutes (+0)
Columbus hops
13%, Whole 0.5 ounces
45 minutes (+15)
Cascade hops
6%, Whole 0.25 ounces
30 minutes (+30)
Cascade hops
6%, Whole 0.25 ounces
15 minutes (+45)
Wort chiller 15 minutes (+45)
Mount Hood hops
5%, Whole 0.5 ounces
10 minutes (+50)
Mount Hood hops
5%, Whole 0.5 ounces
1 minutes (+59)

Ferment
21 days @ 62-72°F

Ok so from here on out i will be posting all revisions and any info concerning this recipe under the recipe section of the forums under the title of black death. the clones final recipe to date resides there. i will update anymore findings there thanks for all your support.

Pandaren said:

I've had a few of these beers now, only really available for those of us that live in WA....and I'm completely hooked! Would love to try and brew a clone, but haven't really found anything on the net, save for this:
http://www.bubbleheadbrewing.com/index.php?page=brewBlogDetail&filter=coreys&id=81

Anyone that's tried one of these have any ideas/comments/suggestions?
Thanks!

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Yes it is the original Barley Wine. I got the recipe out of a homebrew book and put it to a calcuator. I agree with if you want it smaller, put it in another calculator to scale it down in gravity. I haven't had time to try and brew it yet, been a bit busy with work.

Here is the recipe scaled down to a robust porter with OG 1.065

BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Quilter's Irish death
Brewer:
Asst Brewer:
Style: Robust Porter
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 14.15 gal
Post Boil Volume: 10.40 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 10.00 gal
Bottling Volume: 10.00 gal
Estimated OG: 1.065 SG
Estimated Color: 23.9 SRM
Estimated IBU: 19.5 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 72.0 %
Boil Time: 150 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
15 lbs 2.6 oz Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 61.9 %
7 lbs 9.3 oz White Wheat Malt (2.4 SRM) Grain 2 30.9 %
12.1 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt -120L (120.0 SRM) Grain 3 3.1 %
8.1 oz Black (Patent) Malt (500.0 SRM) Grain 4 2.1 %
8.1 oz Chocolate Malt (350.0 SRM) Grain 5 2.1 %
0.44 oz Brewer's Gold [7.50 %] - Boil 150.0 min Hop 6 6.5 IBUs
0.89 oz Brewer's Gold [7.50 %] - Boil 120.0 min Hop 7 13.1 IBUs
2.00 oz Centennial [11.40 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 8 0.0 IBUs
2.00 oz Hallertauer Mittelfrueh [4.00 %] - Boil Hop 9 0.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Cascade [7.50 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 10 0.0 IBUs
1.0 pkg American Ale (Wyeast Labs #1056) [124.21 Yeast 11 -


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Full Body
Total Grain Weight: 24 lbs 8.2 oz
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Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
Mash In Add 30.64 qt of water at 168.2 F 156.0 F 45 min
Mash Out Add 12.26 qt of water at 202.4 F 168.0 F 10 min

Sparge: Fly sparge with 6.87 gal water at 168.0 F
Notes: