How snobby

Airborneguy said:

I went to my beer store today and after picking up my craft choices, I considered a 12pk of lime-a-rita cans. I asked the guy, "have you ever tried these?", to which he immediately responded, "I won't." Ha! I wish I could have read his mind to see what snobby thoughts he was thinking about me. This after I gave him a huge hop rhizome too. Oh well. I still love the lime-a-rita!

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It's funny, with you doing so much taking about it looked it up on BA, and while it didn't win a very high rating people weren't really saying anything bad about it either, things like "Well, it's not beer and it's not a margarita, but it isn't bad for what it is." I think I'm gonna give it a shot next time I see it around.

Airborneguy said:

How did you get in on that?

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Because I'm a huge Bud Light purchaser.

Seriously though, one of the beer/liquor distributors here gave me a couple. I was super excited, hoping it was a A-B IPA, porter, or something else. Googled it before I tried it, as I wanted to know a little about what I was testing. Was disappointed and thought Tequiza v. 2.0. But then I tasted it, and liked it!!! An 8% ABV bud light that tastes like a margarita - highlighted by tastes tequila and salt (though I'm not sure there's actually tequila in it )!

bottlebomber said:

It's funny, with you doing so much taking about it looked it up on BA, and while it didn't win a very high rating people weren't really saying anything bad about it either, things like "Well, it's not beer and it's not a margarita, but it isn't bad for what it is." I think I'm gonna give it a shot next time I see it around.

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You won't be disappointed at all if you like margaritas and aren't high falutin about them. I was pleasantly surprised. I really expected some syrupy mess. It's far better than most craft beer fruit beers I've had, I'll guarantee you that much.

AZ_IPA said:

...highlighted by tastes tequila and salt (though I'm not sure there's actually tequila in it )!

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I'm pretty sure there's not, but it definitely tastes like it.

The first time I had it was right after dropping my deer off at the processor. I grabbed it on a whim at the gas station in my friend's town. Back at the house, I said I wouldn't be surprised if cheap bars started selling it secretly as a margarita and charged much more for it. At 8%, most people would feel something from it and just figure they skimped on the tequila a little like they all do anyway.

Airborneguy said:

You won't be disappointed at all if you like margaritas and aren't high falutin about them. I was pleasantly surprised.

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Ok... This is the first BMC I am excited to try. Margaritas are really the only mixed drink that I like. Ummm.... Love? Not sure if that statement makes me snobby or not?

I mostly drink liquor straight. Pretty much just tequila, whiskey and bourbon. I'm drinking bourbon as we speak. The only time I don't drink alcohol straight, other than the very rare mojito or whiskey sour, is margaritas. I LOVE margaritas. Notice I didn't preface that with "on the beach", "on a cruise", etc. I just love margaritas. Lime-a-Rita is good, trust me.

Ill buy small and local but you have to be careful because anhurser and miller coors are buying small breweries and selling it under that name. I think if we allow them to do this then we are limiting our future possibilities of what we are able to drink bc the macro companies wont care to experiment or deviate from what makes money.

carbonzx said:

Ill buy small and local but you have to be careful because anhurser and miller coors are buying small breweries and selling it under that name. I think if we allow them to do this then we are limiting our future possibilities of what we are able to drink bc the macro companies wont care to experiment or deviate from what makes money.

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This. I buy "old corporate beer" from time to time if I want a beer on a budget or if I'm going to have a lot. I'll often drink one or two good beers and if I plan on drinking more than that I'll drink cheaper beers like Coors Light, PBR or Miller. I really dislike the taste of Budweiser and BL.

Something that disappoints me is that I'm a fan of Newcastle Brown Ale and I've been trying the Newcastle varieties that have become available in the US recently. I really liked Werewolf and Winter IPA, but I'm not sure if these came about because of Heineken's ownership or not. I do know that Heineken now owns over 170 brands (though from what I read online "brands" might equate to varieties under different brands) and seems to be looking to compete with A-B/Inbev in the future.

I'll still enjoy my beer and avoid letting business politics ruin it, though

I drink Pabst and Rainier when I plan to drink all day. Cheap and light on the belly.

dudius said:

This. I buy "old corporate beer" from time to time if I want a beer on a budget or if I'm going to have a lot. I'll often drink one or two good beers and if I plan on drinking more than that I'll drink cheaper beers like Coors Light, PBR or Miller. I really dislike the taste of Budweiser and BL.

Something that disappoints me is that I'm a fan of Newcastle Brown Ale and I've been trying the Newcastle varieties that have become available in the US recently. I really liked Werewolf and Winter IPA, but I'm not sure if these came about because of Heineken's ownership or not. I do know that Heineken now owns over 170 brands (though from what I read online "brands" might equate to varieties under different brands) and seems to be looking to compete with A-B/Inbev in the future.

I'll still enjoy my beer and avoid letting business politics ruin it, though

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Who cares 'who' owns it... I say.

Just drink what tastes good.

I really like New Castle myself... the only problem is the beer skunks easy... so sitting in the grocer or pit stop, these beers age terribly.

This is a reason why I like to buy 12 packs over 6 packs of New Castle... less light exposure for 12 packs.

I would liketo get that list of New Castle variations and try to clone them. New Castle to me makes a great tasting beer, so I would guess that they can make other great tasting beer as well.

I'm not ashamed to enjoy big corporation beer. Just like I'm not ashamed to listen to Ke$ha, enjoy Michael Bay's Transformers, or agree with Airborneguy that Lime-a-Rita is pretty awesome.

After I started brewing for a while, I kinda avoided all commercial pale lagers like the plague. I was like.... "I can make better beer than these guys. wtf, why should I buy these commercial big boys?"

After a few years of brewing and commercial pale lager bashing, my stance has softened somewhat. I have actually came to realise that the beers are out there because people enjoyed them and wanted them. Who are I to say that these big boys are destroying beer when this is essentially what the masses wanted?

More importantly though, homebrewers pride themselves for making good tasting beer and I still think that in terms of flavor, any homebrewer worth their salt will make a superior beer than the MBC big boys.

However, consider this: pale lager is also technically a good beer. It is a well conceived product. Thin body, clean, flavorless, flawless and low cost. Be honest with ourselves on this. Though none of us find the need to emulate these beers, how many of us can really produce these flavorless/flawless wonders in our kitchen? One small mistake and it sticks out like a sore thumb. It is no easy task. These big boys brewers have skill, no doubt about it.

Pale lager have their place in the world of beers but I find their dominance a little disturbing. But it is a free market out there. They can't survive to be becomes this big if they aren't doing something right.

All the big brewers care about is market share and when the craft breweries infringe upon that they try to come in and buy them up so that they can keep thier shelf space filled with that boring pale lager. To me its a losing battle for them and they do make that pale lager well but they are a major hinderance on the progression and acceptance of good beet in the usa. That is what makes them hated.

Also. Prohibition is the only reason they ever became so large in the first place when the craft breweries couldnt stay in business due to higher operating costs. By pushing the pale lager on americans at the time as the cheaper beer they dominated the beer market and pushed out other flavors and styles.

I will never buy a big business beer if I can help it. Because they don't taste good to me. I don't care about the details: how good those brewers really are, etc, etc. And also a lot of craft beer is (less than okay).

Praise those great breweries that make great beer. The rest of them can go die.

Call me a snob. Still not going to change my buying habits. As for the majority of people who buy crap beer. Good for them... I don't care.

iambeer said:

I will never buy a big business beer if I can help it. Because they don't taste good to me. I don't care about the details: how good those brewers really are, etc, etc. And also a lot of craft beer is (less than okay).

Praise those great breweries that make great beer. The rest of them can go die.

Call me a snob. Still not going to change my buying habits. As for the majority of people who buy crap beer. Good for them... I don't care.

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My first thought was that you don't deserve to drink beer of any quality with an attitude like that, and my second thought was "Oh wait, this is the guy who says that he only does secondaries and not primaries."

I am drinking a Batch 19 right now, I looked at it because I had never seen it before and saw it's from Coors. I started a blog recently so I figured it would be good to buy one and try it, especially since Budweiser is releasing "Black Crown" soon. I only bought one, and maybe drinking a six pack over a couple of days would change my mind, but I'd rather drink Coors Light, which happens to cost just over half of what Batch 19 costs.

While I think it's cool they made a beer "inspired by the Coors pre-prohibition recipe", I'm disappointed that it is still rather mild tasting. And it costs as much as craft beer.

bottlebomber said:

My first thought was that you don't deserve to drink beer of any quality with an attitude like that, and my second thought was "Oh wait, this is the guy who says that he only does secondaries and not primaries."

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This dumb thread is called how snobby. BMC is ****. And only a fraction of 'craft beer' breweries make good distributed beer in the US. They ought to be praised. And the rest ought to be forgotten.

well, trick or treat & happy birthday! I thought this was the monster truck thread!

Its a thread Monster!!!

I'd try it but I prefer variety and my own homebrew.

Budweiser is a great beer if you like light American lagers - they consistently put out a product that tastes the same no matter where you are - its a brewing achievement.

As for the BMC corporations I'm all set with supporting them but I don't support the beef industry either - that's a separate issue from the actual product

If I could buy a really finely tailored suit of clothes at WalMart would I? Call me irrational, but it would have to be really, really cheap.

I have no problem with buying a BMC product when out when it's the "special" for 1.00/mug or slightly more. It makes me appreciate my home-brew even more. You don't have to like that I do this... it's my decision and not yours to make.

AB and InBev seem to have some very nefarious business practices. I don't like their sneaky tactic of claiming that some beer they own is made in a little brewery when in fact it's brewed at their AB brewery. That's lying pure and simple.

Miller-Coors, though a large business, especially now, doesn't seem to have those business practices, and I don't have a problem buying their non typical American lagers. They got that big by buying out the little guys who saw large stacks of cash as more important than brewing their beers. That's business I suppose...

Sort of off topic but yesterday I bought an oil can of the Fosters "ale" product. I dont think I have a sophisticated enough palate... because it reminded me of their other beer product...

That being said, it was on sale, and I would buy it again at that price...

I like Foster's blue and green cans.
That's the only ESB I've had...

rodwha said:

Miller-Coors, though a large business, especially now, doesn't seem to have those business practices, and I don't have a problem buying their non typical American lagers. They got that big by buying out the little guys who saw large stacks of cash as more important than brewing their beers. That's business I suppose...

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Blue Moon? Leinenkugel's?

Blue Moon. Especially their honey wheat. Been trying to replicate it unsuccessfully.

I really enjoy the Blue Moon seasonals. And I agree with rodwha about business practices. I hate seeing AB-Inbev trying to be sneaky. The documentary Beer Wars reveals a very good example of this.

dudius said:

I really enjoy the Blue Moon seasonals. And I agree with rodwha about business practices. I hate seeing AB-Inbev trying to be sneaky. The documentary Beer Wars reveals a very good example of this.

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Just pointing out that SABMiller is no better than INBEV.

logan3825 said:

Just pointing out that SABMiller is no better than INBEV.

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Agreed.

logan3825 said:

Just pointing out that SABMiller is no better than INBEV.

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I'm not defending either one, just stating observations. As I've said in a previous post I saw some Batch 19 and thought it was something new until I saw Coors hidden on the label.

Something which sucks is that corporations don't necessarily have to put their name on every label if something is operated under a different company name. For example, Disney owns numerous film production companies which operate under different names. Its been found that a lot of pornographic film companies are owned by Disney. But obviously the Disney name is not attached, it would be bad for PR. But if Indie films suddenly became the popular thing to watch, I wouldn't be surprised if Disney started shooting movies that appeared to be Independent using new company names.

dudius said:

I'm not defending either one, just stating observations. As I've said in a previous post I saw some Batch 19 and thought it was something new until I saw Coors hidden on the label.

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Something which sucks is that corporations don't necessarily have to put their name on every label if something is operated under a different company name. For example, Disney owns numerous film production companies which operate under different names. Its been found that a lot of pornographic film companies are owned by Disney. But obviously the Disney name is not attached, it would be bad for PR. But if Indie films suddenly became the popular thing to watch, I wouldn't be surprised if Disney started shooting movies that appeared to be Independent using new company names.

Ugh, sorry for the mobile-phone posting troubles, guys.

Nothing against the large corporations. If they brew something great then by all means I'd drink it. I just haven't found that they brew much that I like...

I was responding to this.

AB and InBev seem to have some very nefarious business practices. I don't like their sneaky tactic of claiming that some beer they own is made in a little brewery when in fact it's brewed at their AB brewery. That's lying pure and simple.

Miller-Coors, though a large business, especially now, doesn't seem to have those business practices, and I don't have a problem buying their non typical American lagers. They got that big by buying out the little guys who saw large stacks of cash as more important than brewing their beers. That's business I suppose...

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It seemed to say that INBEV was deceitful while SABMiller wasn't. Just not true.

"It seemed to say that INBEV was deceitful while SABMiller wasn't. Just not true."

I can't claim to know much, but from what I saw in the movie, AB was doing things that aren't right. MillerCoors wasn't shown in the same light. I haven't heard of them using their brewery to make a fictitious brewery's beer so as to get those who wouldn't buy their products could be duped.

They also showed the difference between the way the companies treated their employees.

Double post, sorry.

Here's a list of all the brands both InBev and SABMiller/MillerCoors own and brew:
http://brookstonbeerbulletin.com/the-big-brewers-brands/

People who say "If I like it, I'll buy it" are really simply saying "Ethical, political, social, community and other values don't factor into my consumption decisions." That's a perfectly valid position. Not everybody thinks that way and theirs, too, are valid positions. Is there anything else to this tempest in a brew kettle, really?