Fix Autolysis Off Flavors?

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I pitched my first wort onto a yeast cake recently. The cake was from a 1.052 pumpkin ale and I pitched a 1.062 oatmeal stout on top of the cake.

The stout has been in my carboy for 2 weeks and it smells and tastes of a very strong meaty/brothy flavor, which are common off-flavors of autolysis.

A couple of questions:

1) Is it possible I had too much yeast? Should I have racked a bigger beer on top of the cake?

2) Anything I can do to fix/mask the meaty/brothy flavor? Maybe add some chocolate to a secondary carboy?

Thanks
 
autolysis isn't something that'll age out or fade over time really.

But its a horrible smell, so I'm not sold on that being what you detected.
 
But its a horrible smell, so I'm not sold on that being what you detected.


I'm not entirely sold on it either.

Autolysis isn't that common in homebrewing and especially not in ales.....

You are more than likely picking up notes of pumpkin stuff from the previous batch. I would never pitch on top of a yeastcake that contained fruit and or spices...there's too much potential for carryover flavors even if it were not autolysis.

The thing to remember though is that if you are smelling or tasting this during fermentation not to worry. During fermentation all manner of stinky stuff is given off (ask lager brewers about rotten egg/sulphur smells, or Apfelwein makers about "rhino farts,") like we often say, fermentation is often ugly AND stinky and PERFECTLY NORMAL.

It's really only down the line, AFTER the beer has been fermented (and often after it has bottle conditioned even,) that you concern yourself with any flavor issues if they are still there.

I think too many new brewers focus to much on this stuff too early in the beer's journey. And they panic unnecessarily.

A lot of the stuff you smell/taste initially more than likely ends up disappearing either during a long primary/primary & secondary combo, Diacetyl rests and even during bottle conditioning.

If I find a flavor/smell, I usually wait til it's been in the bottle 6 weeks before I try to "diagnose" what went wrong, that way I am sure the beer has passed any window of greenness.

Fementation is often ugly, smelly and crappy tasting in the beginning and perfectly normal. The various conditioning phases, be it long primary, secondarying, D-rests, bottle conditioning, AND LAGERING, are all part of the process where the yeast, and co2 correct a lot of the normal production of the byproducts of fermentation.

Lagering is a prime example of this. Lager yeast are prone to the production of a lot of byproducts, the most familiar one is sulphur compounds (rhino farts) but in the dark cold of the lagering process, which is at the minimum of a month (I think many homebrewers don't lager long enough) the yeast slowly consumes all those compounds which results in extremely clean tasting beers if done skillfully.

Ales have their own version of this, but it's all the same.

If you are sampling your beer before you have passed a 'window of greeness" which my experience is about 3-6 weeks in the bottle, then you are more than likely just experiencing an "off flavor" due to the presence of those byproducts (that's what we mean when we say the beer is "green" it's still young and unconditioned.) but once the process is done, over 90% of the time the flavors/smells are gone.

Of the remaining 10%, half of those may still be salvageable through the long time storage that I mention in the Never dump your beer!!! Patience IS a virtue!!! Time heals all things, even beer:

And the remaining 50% of the last 10% are where these tables and lists come into play. To understand what you did wrong, so you can avoid it in the future.

Long story short....I betcha that smell/flavor will be long gone when the beer is carbed and conditioned.

:mug:
 
Thanks, Revvy....I'm going to RDWHAHB. I'll report on the beer in about 8 weeks....
 
autolysis == contaminated cesspool

Believe me, if you can get your face close enough to taste it, it ain't autolysis.
 
Just wanted to report out on this one - it turned out FANTASTIC! I have learned my lesson....the true flavor of a beer is not evident until its time.
 
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