Help for a 6 gal Porter Recipe

Hi,

Iv tried to adapt a couple of recipes for 5 gals, so that they will work in my 23L/6.07 gal batch gal batch.



* 0.5 lbs. Black Patent
* 0.84 lbs. "Dark Caramel colour" Crystal
* 11.9 lbs. Dark LME

* 1 oz. Southern Cross 12% (60 min)
* 0.5 oz. NZ Fuggle 6.9% (10 min)
* 0.5 oz NZ Fuggle 6.9% (1min)
* Safale US-05.

I have no idea what the OG or IBU's are. Do you NEED the chocolate specialty grain? I could get some and add as well I spose, but is becoming an expensive batch! How do the hops look?

Otherwise, I was looking at the "Port O' Palmer - Porter" recipe on how to brew...again bulked it up. http://www.howtobrew.com/section4/chapter19-3.html

* 11.9 lbs. of Dark Malt Extract (syrup)
* 0.5 lb. of Chocolate Malt
* 0.84 lb. of Crystal 60L Malt
* 0.5 lb. of Black Patent Malt

* 1 oz of Southern Cross 12% at 60 minutes
* 3/4 oz of NZ Fuggle 6.9% at 30 minutes
* 1/2 oz of NZ Fuggle 6.9% at 20 minutes
* Safale US-05

Any thoughts apprieciated

That seems like way to much malt extract. For 6 gallons, I would imagine that you could used 7-7.5 lbs. if you are trying to replicate the palmer recipe.

Yeah, that is a Porter on serious Steroids.
Why do you want it so big?

The only reason there is so much extract is that it comes in 4lb cans. Ok thoughts on these two recipes I made with BeerSmith... note the different batch sizes please.

Recipe Number One
Type: Extract
Batch Size: 6.07 gal
Boil Size: 2.20 gal
Boil Time: 60 min

Ingredients
Amount Item Type % or IBU
7.93 lb Dark Liquid Extract (17.5 SRM) Extract 85.92 %
0.80 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 8.67 %
0.50 lb Black (Patent) Malt (500.0 SRM) Grain 5.42 %
1.00 oz Southern Cross [12.00 %] (60 min) Hops 16.3 IBU
0.50 oz Fuggles [6.90 %] (30 min) Hops 3.6 IBU
0.50 oz Fuggles [6.90 %] (10 min) Hops 1.7 IBU

Beer Profile
Est Original Gravity: 1.048 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.012 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 4.61 %
Bitterness: 21.6 IBU
Est Color: 28.0 SRM

Recipe Number Two
Type: Extract
Batch Size: 6.60 gal
Boil Size: 2.20 gal
Boil Time: 60 min

Ingredients
Amount Item Type % or IBU
11.90 lb Dark Liquid Extract (17.5 SRM) Extract 89.88 %
0.84 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 6.34 %
0.50 lb Black (Patent) Malt (500.0 SRM) Grain 3.78 %
1.00 oz Southern Cross [12.00 %] (60 min) Hops 8.4 IBU
0.50 oz Fuggles [6.90 %] (30 min) Hops 1.8 IBU
0.50 oz Fuggles [6.90 %] (10 min) Hops 0.9 IBU

Beer Profile
Est Original Gravity: 1.066 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.017
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 6.36 %
Bitterness: 11.1 IBU Calories: 43 cal/pint
Est Color: 29.4 SRM Color: Color

I really don't know if the hop amounts or times are ok for a Porter? Should the Fuggle be added later then I did?

Thanks a lot.

Recipe #1 looks good, but I would get rid of the 10 minute addition

You want the bittering effect not hop aroma in a Porter

Thanks for your reply - that makes sense, most Porters don't have hop aroma. Iv changed things around a bit, changed hop times etc, and trying to get OG 1060s. Iv also added the extract to the boil some at 60min some at 30min so I don't need as many hops.

Is this better?

Type: Extract

Batch Size: 6.60 gal (25 L)
Boil Size: 2.20 gal
Boil Time: 60 min

Ingredients
Amount Item Type % or IBU
7.28 lb Dark Liquid Extract [Boil for 15 min] Extract 57.82 %
3.97 lb Dark Liquid Extract (17.5 SRM) Extract 31.53 %
0.84 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 6.67 %
0.50 lb Black (Patent) Malt (500.0 SRM) Grain 3.97 %
1.00 oz Southern Cross [12.00 %] (60 min) Hops 9.2 IBU
0.75 oz Fuggles [6.90 %] (30 min) Hops 3.0 IBU

Beer Profile
Est Original Gravity: 1.062 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.016 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 6.01 %
Bitterness: 29.8 IBU Calories: 43 cal/pint
Est Color: 28.9 SRM Color: Color

Do you think I need chocolate grain as well, say 0.5lbs?

Cheers!

Any thoughts on weather I need Chocolate grain as well? Does the latest recipe look ok with the hops now? The IBU's and OG seem to fit the Porter style ok...