First time recipe double IPA

Hi all,

This will be my first attempt in formulating a new recipe from stratch. My wife loves double ipa and requesting me to make her favorite beer style. Here This my first recipe idea. Please comment on the recipe that I chose. Thanks.

Batch Size: 5.25 gal Style: Imperial IPA ()
Boil Size: 6.74 gal Style Guide: BJCP 2008
Color: 10.7 SRM Equipment: 11 gal pot and 10 gal cooler
Bitterness: 90.9 IBUs Boil Time: 60 min
Est OG: 1.074 (17.9° P) Mash Profile: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
Est FG: 1.014 SG (3.6° P) Fermentation: Ale, Two Stage
ABV: 7.9% Taste Rating: 30.0



Ingredients


Amount

Name

Type

#

5.00 gal Deer Park (R), Bottled Water Water 1
13 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 2
1 lbs Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 3
1 lbs Munich Malt - 20L (20.0 SRM) Grain 4
1.2 oz Sticklebract [13.5%] - First Wort Hops 5
0.5 oz Simcoe [13.0%] - Boil 30 min Hops 6
0.5 oz Amarillo Gold [8.5%] - Boil 30 min Hops 7
1.5 oz Pacific Jade [13.0%] - Boil 5 min Hops 8
1.5 oz Amarillo Gold [8.5%] - Boil 5 min Hops 9
1 pkgs Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05) Yeast 10
0.5 oz Simcoe [13.0%] - Dry Hop 7 days Hops 11
0.5 oz Pacific Jade [13.0%] - Dry Hop 7 days Hops 12
0.5 oz Amarillo Gold [8.5%] - Dry Hop 7 days Hops 13

This is in the ballpark, but I would do a few things:

*cut the crystal down a bit, and consider using 40 instead of 60 (so, e.g., half a pound of 40L). If it's too sweet, especially once the initial extreme bitterness and hop aroma tails off, you may be disappointed. But this is a matter of some opinion--some people like their IPAs a bit sweeter, with a caramel note.
*consider adding a little carapils or flaked grain for head retention.
*depending on your (or your wife's) bitterness preferences, consider upping the bittering hops. 90 IBUs for a beer that strong isn't really so high.
*probably double the dry hop amounts to really get a strong kick.

Ok, I change the crystal to 40L (.75lb) and added 0.5 lb carapils.

Ok i change crystal to 3/4 lb 40L and added 0.5 carapils. Any other suggestions to the recipe?

I'd pitch 2 packets of yeast (I do for anything over 1060)

Also agree you should double up the dry hops. I like splitting them into two additions at least 3 days apart.

I was thinking adding 2 pack of dry yeast. Mom going to double the dry hops. Thanks!!!

lincolnubrewer said:

Batch Size: 5.25 gal / Boil Size: 6.74 gal

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lincolnubrewer said:

5.00 gal Deer Park (R), Bottled Water

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I would recommend making sure the start water volume is good enough. With all the grain and hops used in a double IPA, you lose a lot more water than originally anticipated. A big ol' cake of yeast sitting at the bottom of the carboy further reduces bottling volume.

Are you treating your water? It is not wise to use untreated spring water for brewing all-grain.

lincolnubrewer said:

1.014 SG, 1 packet Safale US-05

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I recommend a starter with liquid yeast. A starter of WLP090 or WLP001 should get you lower than this, assuming the rest of your fermentation practices are sound.

lincolnubrewer said:

13 lbs 2 Row
1 lbs Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L
1 lbs Munich Malt - 20L

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81% 2-Row
7% Munich Malt 10L
4% White Wheat
4% Crystal 30L
4% Corn sugar

lincolnubrewer said:

1.2 oz Sticklebract [13.5%] - First Wort
0.5 oz Simcoe [13.0%] - Boil 30 min
0.5 oz Amarillo Gold [8.5%] - Boil 30 min
1.5 oz Pacific Jade [13.0%] - Boil 5 min
1.5 oz Amarillo Gold [8.5%] - Boil 5 min
0.5 oz Simcoe [13.0%] - Dry Hop 7 days
0.5 oz Pacific Jade [13.0%] - Dry Hop 7 days
0.5 oz Amarillo Gold [8.5%] - Dry Hop 7 days

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Need more hops than 6.7 total oz. for this particular style. Like double that amount.

Use pellet hops with the following schedule:

1) Achieve your total desired IBUs, using anywhere from 10-40% of your total recipe hops by weight for the early and/or middle additions. Skip the FWH. Do a traditional bitter for this style. Don't be afraid of IBUs.

2) Use between 25-40% of your total recipe hops by weight for the warm hopstand after the boil.

3) Use between 40-50% of your total recipe hops by weight for the dryhop.

Bittering power is best gained with early additions. Intoxicating flavor/aroma is best gained during the hopstand/dryhop. This is the reason I tend to nix additions from 20-5 minutes in my IIPAs. You're just wasting hops on a weakened form of bitterness, flavor, and aroma. It isn't rounding things out at all for such a robust style like the American IIPA.

After further review, it look like I need to revise the recipe. I will be back with updated version. Stay tuned!!! Thanks everyone for the feedback.

Here is the update version of the recipe that I'm trying to create. I added carapils, increase the hops and change the times, and also cut back on the crystal to 40L. Please feel free to give any more pointers to this virgin double ipa recipe.

Batch Size: 5.25 gal Style: Imperial IPA ()
Boil Size: 6.74 gal Style Guide: BJCP 2008
Color: 8.0 SRM Equipment: 11 gal pot and 10 gal cooler
Bitterness: 100.8 IBUs Boil Time: 60 min
Est OG: 1.076 (18.2° P) Mash Profile: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
Est FG: 1.015 SG (3.7° P) Fermentation: Ale, Two Stage
ABV: 8.1% Taste Rating: 30.0



Ingredients


Amount

Name

Type

#

5.00 gal Deer Park (R), Bottled Water Water 1
13 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 2
1 lbs 1.6 oz Munich Malt - 20L (20.0 SRM) Grain 3
8.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM) Grain 4
12.0 oz Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 5
1.5 oz Sticklebract [13.5%] - Boil 60 min Hops 6
1.0 oz Amarillo Gold [8.5%] - Boil 15 min Hops 7
1.0 oz Simcoe [13.0%] - Boil 15 min Hops 8
1.0 oz Pacific Jade [13.0%] - Boil 15 min Hops 9
1.0 oz Amarillo Gold [8.5%] - Boil 0 min Hops 10
1.0 oz Pacific Jade [13.0%] - Boil 0 min Hops 11
1.0 oz Simcoe [13.0%] - Boil 0 min Hops 12
2 pkgs Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05) Yeast 13
1.0 oz Simcoe [13.0%] - Dry Hop 7 days Hops 14
1.0 oz Pacific Jade [13.0%] - Dry Hop 7 days Hops 15
1.0 oz Amarillo Gold [8.5%] - Dry Hop 7 days Hops 16

1.014 FG is too high for an Imperial IPA IMO. I personally would go for a light body mash at 148-150F. Most of the top rated commercial Imperial IPAs finish at 1.011 or less as well.

Just a suggestion.

I'm planning to mash around 150-151f. Contemplating on adding corn sugar to the boil. Do I eliminate one of grain if I use corn sugar? Is there any difference between boil 90min or 60 min. How is the hop schedule? Do i need to up my hops at certain time? Just a few thoughts rambling in my head. Thanks everyone for the feedback.

I'd just use brewing software to match the gravities. But yes, you should reduce the base malt if you use sugar. It's going to be something like this: a pound of sugar replaces ~1.5 pounds of base malt (i.e. achieves the same OG), though it should ferment out at near 100%, so it will drop the FG by a marginal amount. Palmer has a table that will give you a sense of this: http://www.howtobrew.com/section2/chapter12-4-1.html

Another thing you can consider, though it's a bit of a pain, is adding the sugar at high krausen. It's better for the yeast, which will metabolize the sucrose preferentially if it's available; better to start them out on maltose (and other products of the mash), then add the sucrose once they've figured out the mix of sugars.

Hop schedule looks good to me.

Updated version: change the volume to 6gallon. I might have to change the bittering hops base on availability. Any suggestions? Green bullet?
Add corn sugar or stick with the recipe? Thanks.
Imperial IPA
All Grain (6.00 gal) ABV: 8.21 %
OG: 1.076 SG FG: 1.014 SG
IBUs: 100.8 IBUs Color: 8.1 SRM
Ingredients

5.71 gal Deer Park (R), Bottled Water

Water

14 lb 13.7 oz - Pale Malt (2 Row) US

Mash addition (84.7%) - 2.0 SRM

1 lb 4.1 oz - Munich Malt - 20L

Mash addition (7.2%) - 20.0 SRM

9.1 oz - Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L

Mash addition (3.3%) - 40.0 SRM

13.7 oz - Cara-Pils/Dextrine

Mash addition (4.9%) - 2.0 SRM

1.66 oz - Sticklebract

Boil 60 min (54.6 IBUs

1.11 oz - Amarillo Gold

Boil 15 min (11.4 IBUs)

1.11 oz - Simcoe

Boil 15 min (17.4 IBUs)

1.11 oz - Pacific Jade

Boil 15 min (17.4 IBUs)

1.14 oz - Amarillo Gold

Boil 0 min (0.0 IBUs)

1.14 oz - Pacific Jade

Boil 0 min (0.0 IBUs)

1.14 oz - Simcoe

Boil 0 min (0.0 IBUs)

2 pkg - Safale American

DCL/Fermentis #US-05

1.14 oz - Simcoe

Dry Hop 7 days

1.14 oz - Pacific Jade

Dry Hop 7 days

1.14 oz - Amarillo Gold

Dry Hop 7 days