ReverseApacheMaster
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But I can.
Let's be civil and remember the Golden Rule.
Thanks.
Touche.
But I can.
Let's be civil and remember the Golden Rule.
Thanks.
We are NOT going to talk about illegal behavior. Or even joke about it. It's not appropriate, and it's specifically spelled out in our forum rules.
If you can't abide by the simple rules, then there may be other forums that may be more appealing to you than our little forum here.
I'm not really familiar with people would actually take what I wrote seriously. It's not about me wanting to talk about things that don't fit a ruleset. It's more about me being obviously funny (or at least if not funny, trying to be). If you don't understand that then yes that would not be a good match for me.
If joking and talking off topic are important, there is the "general chit chat" and/or "drunken mumblings" area.
As someone pointed out...contract brewing (or whatever they call it in your state.) You won't get rich but don't have to be to start either. There is a brewery in Westport that specializes in this in Mass. Several very nicely done beers come out of there regularly. I think you need to bring the ingredients, brew it, and bottle. They take care of fermentation.
You still need to make yourself a legitimate business with the proper licenses to sell it in stores.
There is a homebrewer in my area that is doing this. His beer is brewed by a contract brewery and he just get his labels put on. Of course you still need to be licensed but in CA it is just a wholesalers license which is pretty easy to get. I did "offend" him though when I said that his beers are contract brewed....he hates the term. Good beer though.
He's not really a "homebrewer" or a "brewer" at that point, really only a "middle-man." Didn't know you could sell like that with a wholesalers license in CA, though. It amazes me how lax some of the laws here are considering how ridiculous others are.
I just read this entire post and i won't lie it brought tears to my eyes... I've had many dreams of owning a brewery and have made batches in Dominican Republic and thought why not also make something here and even though i may not become a billionaire at least i can finally have a job that i would love and still be able to feed my family . But its so hard to read that it we are so monopolized that it would be a shot in the dark to make it... wow...
I had the same thoughts originally, but I look at it this way now, if by some miracle I am able to make a living off brewing beer then I will gladly accept the opportunity, if not I will always have one of the best hobbies, in my opinion, that a person can have and I will enjoy it for the rest of my life. Plus the more I think about it when you start doing something you love for a living then it usually doesn't become your "love" anymore and more of a job.
Question and i know i may get blasted for doing this but lets say that since we aren't allowed to sell our product,we give it away but charge for the glass or cup or whatever you may call it .... is it still illegal? I mean i won't be selling the brew but i will be renting the drinkware and last i checked glasswear isn't illegal.... just a thought ......
Big_Cat said:Wirk
Can you point me to where i can obtain those things for $100. ?
Chile.
Jacob_Marley said:In the California Goldrush of the mid 1800's, most people didn't get rich by striking gold ... they got rich by selling shovels and hot meals and clothes and doing laundry and opening saloons and brothels and boarding houses.
Not sure where the sweet spot is in the beer industry, but it's probably not in producing the beer ... but in all the other stuff in the value-chain or in retail.
What are the laws governing cooperatives (generally) where no money changes hands? People get together, some bring malt, some bring talent, some do renovations, some record the contributions and the benefits. Is financial profit what determines legality? There would be none but everybody profits without using money.
Here in CA there is a quasi co-op http://brewlabsf.com/
That looks ideal. The photograph says a lot about its success. In this area the scope would have to be broadened to include non-brewers who offer other services on and off the premises (home and car repairs come to mind) and probably make a few changes to adhere to the law. I guess in small areas it could be a bartering beer-based cooperative. Only benefiting those who contribute by not using the corporate-government currency or paying all those additional sales taxes would certainly be a feature. Coordinating across jurisdictions would make them even more interesting. A homebrew-based tax and independence revolt - the beer party.
It would require extensive research into the laws of the state and locality, but generally a barter system like you describe is considered to be selling. There's a lot of "but what if?" situations thrown around and it almost always boils down to the fact that it can be construed as selling alcohol and should be regulated as such.
Brew Lab seems to have figured out something in CA that allows it to exist and prosper. As they list the available brews they may be a good case study for one state and may well be an indicator for others. That's a start the OP might consider.
Maybe you can be two parts of th chain. I always thought the best business is to start a pub that brews its own beer, it must be a lot of work but the few I know here are always full. The major issue is the initial investment.
I don't see any mention on that site of bartering. They say they hold tasting events, which is legal under CA law for homebrew. Again, it depends on the laws of the individual state.
On http://brewlabsf.com/posts there is reference to a $15 charge. So, in one state, it appears people have worked out the details of sharing each other's wares cooperatively. People bring product, they share product and it appears, in this case, in that state, it is only beer with a value placed on the event. So if, rather than bartering, everyone shares their particular product according to an agreement with others willing to share their product they're good to go.
OK, no bartering, just agreements to share in an equitable manner.
If Seasteading takes off, I want to build a brewery on the converted oil rig.What if you just brew and sell your homebrew on a boat in International Waters?
Success??
paulster2626 said:What if you just brew and sell your homebrew on a boat in International Waters?
Success??
Start a Cruise line, the brew cruise...
And at $6 a beer to be competitive with the other cruise lines, you could definitely turn a profit... (as long as you already have access to a 30 billion dollar ship)
You aren't that far off!! Check this out! Mobile taproom.....http://brewtrucsf.com/ The best part is that he needs NO ALCOHOL LICENSE in CA!! He is considered a limo/charter bus which are specifically exempt from needing an alcohol license. The cost is for the "ride" and the beers, including homebrew, are complimentary. He takes people on tours of SF or sometimes he just parks it in a public lot like a food truck. Such a great idea!!
Start a Cruise line, the brew cruise...
And at $6 a beer to be competitive with the other cruise lines, you could definitely turn a profit... (as long as you already have access to a 30 billion dollar ship)
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