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So it looks like the NHL has made another step towards ending this thing - although at this point I'm expecting Donald Fehr to draw up another ridiculous napkin counter-proposal and stall this even longer.

This really doesn't look bad at all. The NHL gets their 50/50 and ending of cap-circumvention contracts, and the players retain long(ish) contracts and get a slew of increased off-ice benefits. I guess these were the mysterious "concessions" that everyone wanted the NHL to make but nobody could actually name them...

Also it looks like Brian Burke helped draw up a significant part of this proposal. I've bolded the stuff that I can recall him talking about wanting changed over the years. If this becomes the new CBA the Leafs are destined for greatness!

TSN.ca said:
The following is the highlights of the latest proposal from the NHL to the NHL Players' Association:

- Ten-Year Agreement (through 2021/22 season); Parties have mutual opt-out right after 8 years.

- 50-50 Revenue Split between Clubs and Players with current HRR Accounting.

- $300 million in "Make-Whole" payments (outside the system) to compensate Players for the reduced value of Player contracts in the early years of the new CBA.

- No contractual "roll backs" of Player Salaries.

- Clubs can operate with an effective Upper Limit of $70.2 million in 2012/13; must come into compliance with $60 million Upper Limit for the start of the 2013/14 season.

- Each Club will be entitled to execute up to one "Compliance Buy-Out" prior to the 2013/14 season pursuant to which payments made to the Player will not be charged against the team's Cap, but will be charged against the Players' Share.

- Establishment of a Defined Benefit Pension Plan that will provide maximum permissible benefits to Players upon retirement. The Plan will be funded with contributions out of Players' Share and $50 million of the "Make-Whole" payment amount of $300 million will be allocated and set aside to fund potential underfunding liabilities of the Plan at end of CBA.

- Rules for Entry Level System, Salary Arbitration and Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agency will remain unchanged.

- Maximum contract length of 6 years subject to a Club's ability to re-sign its own Player for a term of up to 7 years (provided the Player played his last full season with the re-signing Club). In addition, year-to-year Salary variability will be limited (up or down) to no more than 10% of the value of the first year of a multi-year SPC.

- Money paid (above a defined threshold) to Players on NHL SPCs in another professional league (e.g., the AHL or a European league) will be charged against the NHL team's Cap, but not against the Players' Share.

- "Cap Advantage Recapture" formula applicable to existing long-term contracts (in excess of 6 years) for years in which Player is retired or fails/refuses to perform under his NHL SPC.

- Ability for Clubs to retain/allocate Salary and Cap Charges in the context of Player Trades within specified parameters.


- More robust League-wide Revenue Sharing Program (increased pool from approximately $150 million to $200 million) with creation of Industry Growth Fund to improve the long-term revenue generating potential of the League and low-grossing Clubs. Formation of active Revenue Sharing Oversight Committee on which NHLPA will participate.

- New Player Discipline procedures and protocol incorporating Player appeal rights to a neutral third-party arbitrator for both on-ice and off-ice discipline.

- Flexibility-related adjustments to Payroll Range System, including (in addition to Salary/Cap Charge allocation in Player trades):
1. Lower Limit obligation without performance bonuses;
2. Elimination of Re-Entry Waivers;
3. Creation of Salary Cap exceptions for emergency roster situations/goaltender injuries;
4. Waiver exemptions for mid-season signings of Club's own European Players;
5. Availability of Performance Bonus Cushion in every year of the CBA; and
6. Creation of "interview period" for Unrestricted Free Agents.

- Various Player contract enhancements and protections, including:
1. Early activation of "No Move/No Trade" clauses in contract extensions;
2. Additional restrictions on Club "buy-out" rights of Player contracts;
3. Modified Waiver obligations for Clubs / enhanced Waiver opportunities for Players;
4. Standardization of reimbursements and benefits related to Player assignments (trades, loans, recalls, etc.);
5. Continued increases in League Minimum Salary and Per Diem;
6. Playoff Pool increased from $6.5 million to $13 million in Year 1; additional regular increases over the balance of the CBA term;
7. All minor league salary paid in USD;
8. Liberalized "Cap treatment" standards for Club initiatives benefitting Players, such as "parent-son" road trips; milestone awards/gifts; parental travel and lodging for attendance at EL Player games, Club provision of various types of "professional development"-type services for Players, etc.

- Player "Working Condition" improvements, including:
1. Ice-time restrictions and mandatory "days off" requirements during Training Camp;
2. Club practice schedule and "days off" requirements during the Regular Season;
3. Extended "Christmas Break" (i.e., December 24-26 "days off" for all purposes);
4. Mandatory facility standards for Visiting Teams relating to training/medical supplies, workout equipment and dressing room standards/supplies;
5. Implementation of "best practices" and continued League initiatives to ensure optimal ice conditions;
6. Tighter restrictions/regulation of Club off-season conditioning requirements and Club Conditioning Camp; and
7. Establishment of annual Orientation and Development Program for Rookies/First Year Players.

- New CBA Article devoted exclusively to Player Health and Safety measures and covering such matters as:
1. The establishment of a Joint NHL/NHLPA Health and Safety Committee with equal representation from the NHL and the NHLPA;
2. The establishment of "Standard of Care" and "Professional Duty" obligations owing from team health care professionals to Players;
3. The establishment of minimum requirements for "health management" staffing and resources;
4. The establishment of standards for the creation, updating and maintenance of Electronic Medical Records for Players;
5. Improvements to Second Medical Opinion procedures and protocol and Fitness to Play determinations; and
6. Implementation of additional steps and safeguards to monitor the use (and possible misuse) of prescription medication by Players.
7. Increased flexibility for Players for rehabilitation of injuries during the offseason.

- Elimination of NHLPA "Guarantee" of Escrow shortfall and increased NHLPA discretion to determine in-season Escrow Rates.

- Completion of expert third-party review of SABH Program and commitment to make recommended modifications and improvements, as appropriate.

- Improvements to existing Performance Enhancing Substances Program, including:
1. Expansion of Prohibited Substances List to include illegal stimulants;
2. The establishment of testing protocol for HGH;
3. Varied forms and times of testing throughout the year;
4. The establishment of protocol for "reasonable cause testing";
5. Incorporation of agreed-upon appeal procedures from "positive" test results; and
6. Commitment to work with the AHL and the PHPA to expand Program to cover AHL Players.


- Joint (NHL/NHLPA) Committees:
1. Formation of new "Owner-Player Relations Committee," with broad-based participation from Owners and Players intended to foster and establish better understanding and stronger working relationships.
2. Formation of new "Revenue Sharing Oversight Committee" to oversee the operation of the Revenue Sharing System.
3. Formation of new "Joint Health and Safety Committee" to make recommendations to the NHL and the NHLPA on Player Health and Safety matters.
4. Formation of new "NHL/NHLPA Equipment Working Group" to study, promulgate and enforce minimum standards for protective equipment utilized by NHL Players.
5. Refined and enhanced role for "Player/Club Competition Committee" (CBA Article 22) with greater consultation and interaction with the NHL General Managers' Committee.
6. The "NHL/NHLPA Joint Owner-Player Broadcasting/Marketing Committee" (CBA Article 32) will be reconstituted to consult and establish policy on League broadcasting and marketing matters, as well as other League business functions and initiatives.
7. The NHL/NHLPA International Committee (CBA Article 24) will be charged with jointly identifying, creating, exploiting and managing new international business opportunities involving NHL Players, in which the NHL and NHLPA will participate as 50-50 partners. The NHL/NHLPA International Committee shall also have an advisory role in planning and executing NHL events conducted outside of North America.

- Players provided access to NHL.com platform for their individual Player websites and social media.

- Implementation of a weighted Draft Lottery in which all non-Playoff teams compete for opportunity to choose first overall in the annual Draft.

- Exclusive negotiating rights window for European Draftees extended to one period covering four years, instead of two periods covering two years each.

- Modification to "Four-Recall Rule" to remove limitation on "number of transactions" following the Trade Deadline; replace with limitations on the total number of Recalls on roster at any one time after the Trade Deadline.

- Updated and improved Grievance Arbitration process and procedure.

- Enhanced access to Game Tickets for Visiting Team Players and NHLPA.

- NHLPA representatives to be provided reasonable access to Club facilities and Players at reasonable times.

The fact that they're going to start testing for PED's the entire year is HUGE for me. I've been wanting this for a looooong time.
 
We got hockey here Portland. Western Hockey League....very quality play without the political nonsense. Winterhawks are killing it this year too

Hahahha WHAT???

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...erhawks-for-league-violations/article5766408/

For its sins, Portland was fined $200,000, will lose nine WHL bantam draft picks (including its first-rounders for the next five years), and general manager/head coach Mike Johnston was suspended for the rest of the year.
 
Yes. But how is that related to political nonsense?

Well, it's nonsense. But I guess since Obama didn't comment on it it's not political.

Anyway I figured you were gloating that the Winterhawks were in a world free of off-ice B.S., and this is really not the case at all. Anyhoo, hope their 9 lost draft picks don't hurt them too bad, and they are definitely a great team - even if they cheated to get that good.
 
Anyone watching the Spengler Cup? It was kind of cool to see Thornton lighting it up for Davos today against the Russians.

Paulster: I realize this is the hockey thread, and beer talk is probably off-side, but what malt did you use with the Cascade SMaSH?
 
USA v Canada at 430 am eastern time. Who's waking up for this??? umm, maybe I'll watch the repeat later in the day.

I'll probably try to watch it later. Will it be on cable?

Edit: crap, I see it will be on NHL Network, which I don't get, and it will stream live on NHL.com, which means staying up til 7-8am. Screw it, I'll just read about it in the morning/afternoon/whenever I wake up.
 
BorealBrewer said:
Anyone watching the Spengler Cup? It was kind of cool to see Thornton lighting it up for Davos today against the Russians.

Paulster: I realize this is the hockey thread, and beer talk is probably off-side, but what malt did you use with the Cascade SMaSH?

Pearl. I really like pearl malt.
 
Canada just dominated Russia for 60 minutes. What a game, Subban with some huge saves. Makarov was amazing for the Russians too.
 
I don't want to get too excited yet, but it seems as though the two sides are at least talking regularly and conceding in each direction.

This is actually bad news for me since I have just promised the wife to remodel our back bathroom to increase the closet/storage area and tile the floor. I thought I would have a long, boring winter to get it done.

Maybe this will be the incentive I need to finish it up real quick?
 
Lets not underestimate the ability of these retards to manage to screw everything up at the last minute though.

But it looks like many people's predictions are coming true - lockout until the last possible second, but no full season lost.
 
paulster2626 said:
Lets not underestimate the ability of these retards to manage to screw everything up at the last minute though.

But it looks like many people's predictions are coming true - lockout until the last possible second, but no full season lost.

Until you said "lockout," I thought you were talking about the US fiscal cliff and THOSE retards.
 
Lets not underestimate the ability of these retards to manage to screw everything up at the last minute though.

But it looks like many people's predictions are coming true - lockout until the last possible second, but no full season lost.

Yes, I'm trying not to get my hopes up.

I heard one guy postulate that Bettman had set minimum amount of concessions to get a deal done but even if he go that they planned on not starting the season until a specific date, to try and wring even more out of the players.

If this is true, it seems they got what they wanted to start with and are now just truly negotiating up to that date. Again, this is heresay.

I also heard a rumour that one NHL guy has stated that there WILL be a season. So apparently the owners have basically given Bettman the go-ahead to wrangle out a deal to get that 1/2 season going.

Now I'm off to find instructions on how to build a proper closet. I need to get going on that, since it seems I might only have 2-3 weeks before hockey starts ;)

And, I am set for beer for now, but I have plans to brew a batch with a friend in Feb and I want to make a nice big RIS for next winter and I may as well brew it now so it can age out nicely.
 
Well if the League is really losing as much money as they say it is, it only makes sense to not play for as long as possible unless you're getting the exact deal you want.

But it looks like both sides realize that losing another season would be bat****-crazy - putting a gun to their own heads.
 
So, another Canada-US game at the Juniors - and this one is for a shot at all the marbles!

Anyone else going to be awake in the wee hours tomorrow watching the game?

Also - stupid Canuck-based question - how diffifuclt or easy is it to follow the WJHC in the States?
 
So, another Canada-US game at the Juniors - and this one is for a shot at all the marbles!

Anyone else going to be awake in the wee hours tomorrow watching the game?

Also - stupid Canuck-based question - how diffifuclt or easy is it to follow the WJHC in the States?

AW dang is that game coming up already?? What time?? I might DVR that and try not to find out who wins before I get to watch it.
 
Game's on TSN at 3:30am ET - rebroadcast at 11am ET.

DVR'ing might be the way to go. I know around here, it'll be super-difficult to not find out the score of the game over the breakfast hour.
 
Wow. USA is definitely a force - what a difference from the last game. This tourney is so much better now that canada doesn't win all the time.
 
This really sucks not being able to watch even the Junior worlds. Regardless of who has won or lost so far. I just want to watch hockey.
 
I actually like it. I got sick of watching Canada steamroll everyone for 5 years straight. Nice to see some competition, and from our friendly American neighbors, no less! Go USA!

Once Canada gets an actual coach, however, things will go back to normal...
 
I actually like it. I got sick of watching Canada steamroll everyone for 5 years straight. Nice to see some competition, and from our friendly American neighbors, no less! Go USA!

Once Canada gets an actual coach, however, things will go back to normal...

Until then, we'll just stick with this:
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America's hat? I don't even know what that's supposed to mean.

Can't see the first one on my phone, the second is awesome, and what's "legal" in Canada? In MI its 16 despite needing to be 18 to sign a contract (which means appearing nude in any media or getting married).
 
Oh Canada, the TRUE NORTH strong and free...GO JETS GO!

The mood amongst any Wpg, age 3-93, seems visibly improved this morning!!!

Win, lose, lose badly...it doesn't matter - we will have some top-level hockey in town this year!

I didn't make a lockout brew...but I'm thinking of making up a "Shortened Saison".

Let the puck drop!
 
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