burntgraphite
Well-Known Member
Okay, so we all know that Alpha Acids isomerize through an acyloin-type ring contraction and turn into epimeric isomers; cis-isocohumulone, trans-isocohumulone, cis-isoadhumulone, trans-isocohumulone, etc. And the cis- derivitaves are the most stable, so that's what we typically taste for bitterness in the finished wort/beer. And top that with some kinetics data to determine that if your solution and conditions are wacky enough to promote boiling under 100c, you likely won't be getting enough hop utilization: for example, in a study at OSU regarding hop utilization at 70c and 120c, in a 90 minute boil only 10% hop utilization occurs at 70c, whereas at 120c 90% hop utilization occurs (Malowicki, and Shellhammer).
So after using a hop spider for some time and noticing no difference in my utilization, I have to wonder; why does the idea persist that bag hop utilization suffers in comparison to loose hops? When utilization of methylxanthines (caffeine, etc) is compared in tea in loose vs bag form (Hicks, Hsieh, and Bell 325-330), bag extraction was roughly twice that of loose extraction. There is a difference between alkaloid extraction and aa extraction, but the methods of extraction and rates of utilization are both quite similar.
So I ask you; is there any evidence that, when done properly, isomerization and hop utilization suffers in a bag or hop spider? I am defining properly as:
A). Hops not over-packed
B). Clean wort without excessive break matter
C). PH of wort not out of balance
If there are any reliable (id est, not colloquial, but a well performed study with reliable control) studies done in this vein I would love to read them. I am absolutely certain that there is a wealth of anecdotale information in the form of "I done brewed two and one tasted less bitter.", however I'm actually trying to put together something reliable and citeable; maybe even write an article on it.
Works Cited:
Hicks, Monique B., Peggy Y.H. Hsieh, and Leonard N. Bell. "Tea preparation and its influence on methylxanthine concentration." Canadian institute of food science and technology. 29.3-4 (1996): 325-330. Web. 26 Jan. 2013. <http://www2.hcmuaf.edu.vn/data/lhquang/file/Tea1/Tea preparation and its influence on methylxanthine.pdf>.
Malowicki, M.G., and T.H. Shellhammer. "17F-13 Isomerization kinetics of hop bitter acids during wort boiling ." Institute of Food TEchnologists. Oregon State University, 16 Jul 2004. Web. 26 Jan 2013. <http://ift.confex.com/ift/2004/techprogram/paper_25787.htm>.
So after using a hop spider for some time and noticing no difference in my utilization, I have to wonder; why does the idea persist that bag hop utilization suffers in comparison to loose hops? When utilization of methylxanthines (caffeine, etc) is compared in tea in loose vs bag form (Hicks, Hsieh, and Bell 325-330), bag extraction was roughly twice that of loose extraction. There is a difference between alkaloid extraction and aa extraction, but the methods of extraction and rates of utilization are both quite similar.
So I ask you; is there any evidence that, when done properly, isomerization and hop utilization suffers in a bag or hop spider? I am defining properly as:
A). Hops not over-packed
B). Clean wort without excessive break matter
C). PH of wort not out of balance
If there are any reliable (id est, not colloquial, but a well performed study with reliable control) studies done in this vein I would love to read them. I am absolutely certain that there is a wealth of anecdotale information in the form of "I done brewed two and one tasted less bitter.", however I'm actually trying to put together something reliable and citeable; maybe even write an article on it.
Works Cited:
Hicks, Monique B., Peggy Y.H. Hsieh, and Leonard N. Bell. "Tea preparation and its influence on methylxanthine concentration." Canadian institute of food science and technology. 29.3-4 (1996): 325-330. Web. 26 Jan. 2013. <http://www2.hcmuaf.edu.vn/data/lhquang/file/Tea1/Tea preparation and its influence on methylxanthine.pdf>.
Malowicki, M.G., and T.H. Shellhammer. "17F-13 Isomerization kinetics of hop bitter acids during wort boiling ." Institute of Food TEchnologists. Oregon State University, 16 Jul 2004. Web. 26 Jan 2013. <http://ift.confex.com/ift/2004/techprogram/paper_25787.htm>.