Brewpastor said:A side track: There is a radio station here whose slogan is "Hispanic Pride" and they had a lot of coverage yesterday. If I had a station and had a slogan "Anglo Pride" I would be run out of town, no matter my politics.
Walker-san said:I remember being enraged when I was younger by things such as "The United Negro College Fund". Not that I think the organization is bad, but simply because of the fact that we are totally accepting of certain types of racism but not others. Like the good Pastor said, if I stared the "United Caucasian College Fund" someone would burn my house down all call me a racist pig.
As a caucasian male of protestant decent, I am everyone's enemy.
WAIT A SECOND! NO POLITICS ALLOWED HERE!
were there any stories of immigrant scabs who took their jobs for the day just to make a quick buck?
Pumbaa said:There was a couple storys on the local news of out of work latinos complaining about the walk out and yes those complaining were more then willing to work that day . . .dunno if I wold call them scabs
Dude said:I must live in a cave.
Actually, most illegals pay taxes just like you and me. Getting a taxpayer id is easier than getting a ssn, and it's a good way not to get caught, as well as be 'square' with your employer who can then withhold wages and be less accountable for hiring an illegal. They're actually paying in with little to no chance of ever getting any payout.ultraplop said:The illegals, while not having to pay any taxes except for maybe some sales tax here and there, are having a very negative effect on our economy. Not only do they remove billions of dollars out of our economy and send it to mexico, but they bog down our medical and educational systems. Many hospitals are forced to close because they are forced to take the illegals who don't have to pay a dime.
You obviously didn't live in the South West when the law took affect in the 70's, I never heard of one closing down but a few Emergency rooms closed down, or limited services to "life threatening" care only.I also think you'd be hard-pressed to find non-anecdotal evidence of hopsitals closing for the reason you mentioned.
If true thats a good thing, the fact they can't get SS is good.illegals, especially migrants, pay into all kinds of taxes
ultraplop said:Here is an article that talks about hospital crisis due to illegals:
http://www.jpands.org/vol10no1/cosman.pdf
Here is an article that talks about how much money is exported to Mexico, they estimate 13 billion.
http://www.cairco.org/econ/econ.html
But she doesn't actually cite any sources or data, or specifically link the 84 CA hospitals to immigrants. She doesn't provide any sort of quantitative analysis of how services have been "degraded", or who decided they were the "finest emergency medical facilities." I know a lot of hospitals around me have closed, but it had nothing to do with immigrants...it was because the larger hospitals crowded them out, annexed them, or they were shut down by the State.What is unseen is their free medical care that has degraded and closed some of America's finest emergency medical facilities, and caused hospital bankruptcies: 84 California hospitals are closing their doors.
Baron von BeeGee said:Which isn't to say I disagree with your basic premise, in fact I agree with you. I don't think people should be allowed to be here illegally "outside of the system" which puts undue stress on the system. But I think the gov'ts of Mexico (and other Latin American countries) and the US are to blame. The US for not recognizing that most of the illegals are working and filling needs and that the system should work for these people, and Mexico for thinking that their inability to administer a semi-effective gov't which drives their citizens out is somehow our problem. Fox shouldn't be asking us why we don't legalize the illegals...he should be asking WTF is wrong with Mexico that they want to leave in the first place.
Agreed on both points. It was a stupid way (IMO) for them to try to make their point. They've actually done "legal" walk-ins at the State legislature here in NC and gotten just as much press (and it was actually good press).God Emporer BillyBrew said:That's a good point. I definitely to blame for sometimes putting it all on the illegals, but if I was in their position and saw a way to make things better for my family I'd jump on it.
I still think that the basic premise of "A day without an immigrant," was off. this whole debate is about illegal aliens, not immigrants. Also, I don't like being threatened, and that is what I took that day as.
God Emporer BillyBrew said:My main problem is that some people are talking about rewarding people for thumbing their nose at our laws. When you tell someone that if they've been breaking the law for 7 years, you're going to go ahead and make them legal, that's you're doing.
God Emporer BillyBrew said:My main problem is that some people are talking about rewarding people for thumbing their nose at our laws. When you tell someone that if they've been breaking the law for 7 years, you're going to go ahead and make them legal, that's you're doing.
Cheesefood said:Homebrewing used to be illegal.
ultraplop said:I also saw an article produced by the California Medical Association which also recognizes this crisis, it shows how much money hospitals in the state are losing due to patients that cannot pay.
RichBrewer said:Think about brewing beer...Think about brewing beer...Think about brewing beer...Think about brewing beer...
This is making me crazy. I'm going to keep my opinion to myself.
I hope!
Oh my keep thinking good thoughts!GOD said:I tried Rich! Really tried! What can I say.... the staples in my chest really look as bad as you would think and thinking about it is driving me crazy:fro:
I'm going to bottle beer now....
RichBrewer said:Oh my keep thinking good thoughts!
By the way, my post was not a reference to yours. It was geared toward the main topic of this thread.
I was reading an article in Consumer Report that said hospitals purposly make mistakes on the bill so that they make some kind of profit! Hoping you won't catch it!
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